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Re: Anyone near VA [rupter] by kriebebw
Sep 10, 2008 (9:59 am)
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Replying to: rupter (Sep 09, 2008 8:48 pm)

If you look at the disclaimer statement for Ourisman Toyota it appears that the Delivery Fee is the typical freight charge. 'Pricing includes any applicable Toyota customer cash. It excludes State taxes, tags and processing fee of $369. New vehicles are plus Delivery & Handling Fee (Freight), $660/720 for cars and $685/750 for Vans, Trucks & SUV's.' The 'plus' terminology is obsure. I'm taking that these delivery fees need to be added to the 'no hassle price'. If that is the scenario, this is not a good deal at all; especially when you include the $369 processing fee (which is all mark-up). As rupter suggests, get it in writing if possible before making the long trip. Mazda...let us know if you get any further pricing clarification from Ourisman. Seems like they 'back out' the freight charge in order to advertise a lower no hassle price and then add it back in at the end of transaction. A deceptive practice IMO. I too am going to look closer at the 'fine print' on the Fitzgerald website.
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Fitzgerald pricing fine print by kriebebw
Sep 10, 2008 (10:23 am)
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Here is what I found after looking at some of the details on the Fitzgerald website. You need to select a vehicle and click on the CONSUMER INFORMATION tab.
 
-NEW VEHICLE PRICING INFORMATION
-This is a New vehicle located in the state of Pennsylvania.
-Price Does NOT Include Tax, Tags, Title, Optional Dealer Processing Charge of $55.
 
If you select a car located in MD the processing charge for the processing charge is $99. I'm not sure why the processing charge is different depending on which state the vehicle is located since tags & title are separate line items. I would like to see some clarification on this issue.
 
Regarding freight charges. It is quite clear that the internet price includes freight.
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Re: Anyone near VA [kriebebw] by kernelpanic
Sep 10, 2008 (10:38 am)
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Replying to: kriebebw (Sep 10, 2008 9:59 am)

agreed! They have too many fees tagged along that makes it a lukewarm deal. Fitzgerald - if they can offer the price they quote in their website - seems to be awesome price compared to what I get in Seattle area. Easily beating by $1500 the best deal I have got.
 
I wish dealers price matched like internet companies
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Re: Fitzgerald pricing fine print [kriebebw] by mazda626atx
Sep 10, 2008 (12:09 pm)
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Replying to: kriebebw (Sep 10, 2008 10:23 am)

I am not sure that I am prepared to buy this month due to some change in plans. I am buying car and shipping it to Greece.
  But I can tell you Fitzgerald I spoke to a salesman who told me since I am in NY I, he would email me all the paperwork and then I could fly, or drive downthere 3 hours or less and buy car , and they will give me 60 day temp plates , and I can register in New York , or New Jersey where my wife has an address.
  So it seems like the tax would not be paid to them , but to the DMV of my choosing. Makes sense to me and someone mentioned buying a car recently from Fitz and they did not try to swindle him.
  Even if this is a not close to you , you can use it as a bargaining tool to negotiate a better price in your region.
 As I have previously said I got local dealer to come down over 2k using this ploy.
  I dont see why you can not do the same .
 Read posts # 2246 and #2255 to see what I mean .
   Also there is a Thompson Toyota in PA offering 3K off MSRP so I believe these prices can be found wherever you are, if you keep searching.
 I personally have 4 guys hounding me and lowering their offers everyday
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Re: Fitzgerald pricing fine print [mazda626atx] by kriebebw
Sep 10, 2008 (12:44 pm)
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Replying to: mazda626atx (Sep 10, 2008 12:09 pm)

Mazda,
 
Thanks for sharing your info. I am in eastern PA and Thompson is not too far away. Certainly, Fitzgerald is driveable for me as well. I have yet to contact any dealers for quotes but will likely 'arm' myself with the info from Fitzgerald's and see what happens. I'm not sure if I will pull the trigger in September as well. I may take a 'wait & see' October approach with 2009's coming onto the lots. Fitzgerald's already has a 2009 Limited and a 2009 Sport on their website. On the Limited, the only difference on thier internet pricing seems to be the $500 cash back. In other words, they are selling one 2008 model at about $1000 below invoice of which $500 is manufacturer cash back money. The 2009, which has no rebate (to my knowledge) is listed at $100 below invoice. The '09 Sport is another story as their present pricing is only slightly below MSRP. Suspect this is due to the attention Toyota is bringing to removing spare tire from tailgate,
 
I'll be curious to see if Fitzgerald's is willing to do a dealer trade to get me the RAV that I am interested in and then price it similarly to what they are presently advertising.
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Final price by kernelpanic
Sep 10, 2008 (2:42 pm)
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OK. The final final price I have is 27630 + TTL for 2008 v6 Limited (loaded - instead of leather I have 3rd row). That price includes TDA + Holdback. Is it a norm to tack these fees (especially TDA).
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Re: Final price [kernelpanic] by osagi
Sep 10, 2008 (3:37 pm)
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Replying to: kernelpanic (Sep 10, 2008 2:42 pm)

Which dealer? Currently, I am negotiating with 2 dealers. One in Vancouver, WA and one in Gladstore. Same specs as yours but w/ leather w/o 3rd row seat. Final Price before tax is $28,172. I would like to try your dealer if you provide the name. Thanks.
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Re: Final price [kernelpanic] by rupter
Sep 10, 2008 (5:48 pm)
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Replying to: kernelpanic (Sep 10, 2008 2:42 pm)

This TDA stuff is BS. If they don't get you one way..they get you another. Why do some states charge tda, and others do not? I don't get it??
 
I am also in hold mode here. I have a few circumstances that are holding me back..one being the wife..LOL. I want to wait until October for the best deal..but my preferences for vehicle options and colors could dwindle significantly by then. Not to mention the fact that 0% financing could be gone when that month rolls around. I don't care about cashback, as I feel I would get the car for the same price anyway.
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Re: Final price [kernelpanic] by mazda626atx
Sep 10, 2008 (6:31 pm)
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Replying to: kernelpanic (Sep 10, 2008 2:42 pm)

I refuse to speak to dealers with all those acronyms TDA, TTL, BLAH BLAH BLAH.
  I ask them for a final price with all included without taxes, and either a separate DMV price , or 60 day temp plates and I will register it myself.
    Fitzgerald says one price , internet price and states on their site there is no shipping or processing fee. Also we have someone who actually bought a car from Fitzgerald and states they did not try to scam them after they gave their price.
   Holdbacks are what dealer gets off of the invoice from the manufacturer. Who cares what goes on between dealer and manufacturer. All of that is misdirection , like Magicians use to confuse us.
 All we care is price OTD (out the door) pre taxes or including, as long as price is estabilished before tax.
    They cant lie about that .
 Also I do not know for a fact, but I dont think 3rd seat is as expensive as leather , therefore on first blanche , I think you can still do better .
 I feel everyone should be willing to match Fitzgeralds price, regardless where they are .
  Just my 2 cents
 
P.S What does TTL , and TDA stand for ?
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Re: Final price [mazda626atx] by kernelpanic
Sep 10, 2008 (7:22 pm)
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Replying to: mazda626atx (Sep 10, 2008 6:31 pm)

Thanks for your input. I agree - I think can do better. But now it has come to standstill. One dealer just stopped responding and the other dealer has said this isthe best. Add to that the configuration + color I want is not even available in state (both the dealers pointed out the same thing). decisions..decisions...
 
TDA - Toyota dealer advertising fees. If you price through edmunds, they have a link to explain what it is. http://www.edmunds.com/about/feepopup.html
 
TTL - Tax + Tags + license. you can compute this by using www.taxandtags.com
 
The price I have is better than the true market value by ~ $1000 ( I am availing the 0% APR instead of $500 cashback) but $300 above Invoice. hmmm...

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