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Honda Civic, Mazda Protege5, Coupe, Hatchback, Sedan
#121 of 130 Congrats
Aug 22, 2003 (4:38 am)
Congratulations on your purchase and I am glad that you are happy. Not to pick on you, but this is where most people make a mistake choosing a vehicle.
<<<<1. A compact sedan is just too small for my family of four and a similarly equipped midsize would have been at least $3,000 more expensive than a P5 with a little less than two inches or so in leg and shoulder room to show for it. Yes, I may have gotten a bigger engine with a midsize, but I really donít need a 200HP rocket to crawl 25mph along jammed freeways on my daily commute.>>>>
I understand that most people can't afford to have multiple vehicles, but the family hauler should not be a commuter as well. It is just not practical. Would you walk around with 2 40 lbs cement bags? This is what it equates to to having a family vehicle used for daily commute by one person, unless you are carpooling.
At least you chose wisely and got a decent compromise between family vehicle and commuter, unfortunately millions of people buy gargantuan SUVs because "it would be nice to take the family out on the weekends" but they also dirve it daily in their 30 mile plus commute from the suburbs.
Please, I am not trying to offend anyone, just stating my point.
Just out of curiosity, how much did you get for the 94 Si and how many miles were on it?
Aug 22, 2003 (6:09 am)
" But I think people have a pretty good idea of what they're looking for by the time they visit a showroom, especially these days."
There's truth to that too but you pointed out how the salesman may have a different plan.
Last year my wife an I went to look at 2002 Accords because we thought great deals could be had on them being that the 2003's had already been advertised as "coming soon". Instead of offering us a deal on the Accord the salesman tried to put us in a CR-V. We said NO! Then he tried the Pilot sales pitch (Which included the line "Unlike the CR-V the Pilot's a real truck." Moron.). We said DOUBLE NO!
It's happened with other brand's too. Ford guy wanted us in an Explorer when we were shopping for our Escape. Mazda guy (most recent) was pushing us toward a Tribute when I test drove a P5 even though he knew we had an Escape. It was parked right in front of the glass walled showroom
for cryin' out loud!
I don't know why they do that. I do know that it's really annoying though.
Why is there no name on post #120? Whomever you are I totally agree with you on the coupe/children issue. We're expecting our first this December and, even though my wife doesn't believe me yet, we need to replace our Civic coupe with something that has four doors. I guess she'll have to learn the hard way. (Don't worry, I'll be nice to her. She is taking care of the hard part after all. But if I could have the baby for her... )
Aug 22, 2003 (10:13 am)
I only got $2,000 for the '94 Civic. It had 75K and had rust damage on the undercarriage.
By the way, my P5 is my commuter. I've got an '02 MPV to haul around the wife and kids already. Dispite this I still found that having a compact sedan just isn't enough. You'd be surprised how much junk you have to load up just to take one of the little ones with you on an errand.
Here's a little exercise I suggest you have your wife try out AFTER she gives birth. Get a 25lb bag of rice. Have her put the bag in the back seat of her coupe without 1)hitting her head 2)straining her back 3) swinging the car door wide engough to hit the car next to you.
If she still doesn't get the message replace the 25lb bag with a 50lb one.
Aug 22, 2003 (10:28 am)
That's great sugoiya! Only problem is, I've been relegated to driving the coupe even though the Escape replaced my car. So now I have to convince her to replace MY car again.
I'll still try it though. I'll put her on five inch heels so she's about the same height as me and then make her load the rice into the back. That'll learn her!!!
Aug 22, 2003 (3:20 pm)
By the way, contratulations to you and your wife. Here's some more fatherly advice:
I'm not sure how old your Civic is, but you may want to check the seatbelts. Pull them all the way out and see if they lock up once you start retracting them. If they don't you CAN'T mount a child seat back there unless it's equipped with LATCH brackets and a head tether bracket. My '94 didn't have any of these which made the car all the more kid unfriendly.
If you're seriously shopping for something to replace the Civic, buy your baby gear first (including a big Costco size box of diapers) and bring it with you to the dealer. Practice loading and unloading right there on the dealer's lot before you even take a test drive. The last thing you want to do is find out the car's too small AFTER spending $20-30K.
Finally, because both of your cars are on the small side, you should put some thought into shopping a little bigger (i.e. minivan, large SUV). Especially if mom is hinting that the bun currently in the oven may not be the last. A minivan/mini-SUV combo can handle much more expansion than a midsize/mini-SUV combo can. The price difference isn't that much either, especially if you can live without the leather seats, DVD players and power sliding doors.
#126 of 130 Don't look now
Aug 23, 2003 (5:05 pm)
Motor Trend reports that Honda plans to import the "Civic-based multipurpose vehicle, the Stream, to North America next year..."
We will get the 2.0L engine and it will be called the Latitude.
Here is the link to the Japanese website:
#127 of 130 Stream/Latitude
Aug 25, 2003 (6:20 pm)
#129 of 130 87 Integras
Dec 10, 2003 (5:53 pm)
Smasher - funny I have an '87 Integra I'm planning on getting rid of for a P5. Mine's got a busted spedometer & therefore non-winding odomete (probaby 140k miles), a half a muffler, a hole in the floorboard under my clutch foot and body damage galore. Maybe I should reconsider the donation and try to do a trade-in. But damn... no CD player!!!
Anyhow, I drove the P5 and it's definitely a fun car to drive. My only complaint was the bumpy ride. But the price (especially right now) can't be beat. If I can find a car with color & options I want, I may take the plunge. for my taste, the Si just can't match the styling of the P5. Great thread, great group. thanks.
#130 of 130 '03 PR5 vs. '87 Integra
Dec 12, 2003 (6:28 am)
Yeah, hdd: it is good. Other than the obvious stuff (a much newer car with all the technical refinements of the last 16 years), you'll like the trunk space (higher and deeper, with almost no liftover), cargo space (a little narrower, but taller and more accessible), ingress/egress, headroom, cupholders, and torquier, more flexible engine. (You really don't have to wind it up as much at all.)
The driver's seat is really, really good--much more comfortable on long trips.
Regarding the ride and handling: my Integra had slighly firmer shocks and lower ride height--kind of a Stage 1 upgrade. The P5 feels about the same, maybe ever so softer. I don't mind the ride at all. The handling on the PR5 is excellent, and steering is *superb*. I was very pleasantly surprised at how well this car sticks. Those Mazda folks really know how to dial in a chassis.
Winter traction is a different story. I haven't driven it much in the snow, but the stock tires are biased toward fair-weather handling, not all-season traction. I don't think it's any worse than my Integra was, but I'm thinking of springing for a set of winter wheels/tires.