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#2356 of 2365 H6 Legacy GT
Feb 19, 2005 (10:07 am)
Maybe this has been answered before but are there any definite plans to bring out an H6 equipped GT wagon ?
Since there is only any additional 35lbs for the H6 when compared to the 2.5T, I would assume that it would be a good match on the lighter Legacy frame. Moreover, the CG should be lower in the H6 than the 2.5H4T (which has all those turbo hardware sitting above the H4 engine thus raising the CG). This would ensure even more stability for sharper handling when compared to the 2.5T.
I like to drive turbo equipped cars but for long term ownership, I still prefer NA engines. The fact that Subaru has got a "Turbo Surcharge" in their extended warranties, just reinforces my preference for a NA engined vehicle for long-term ownership.
#2357 of 2365 Re: H6 Legacy GT [aaykay]
Feb 19, 2005 (10:26 am)
Subaru has, so far, not announced any plan to sell a 6-cylinder Legacy wagon in the US. You can find speculation about Subaru's future plans in the discussion Subaru Crew - Future Models II.
I didn't know about a "Turbo Surcharge" for a Subaru Extended Warranty. Is that term actually used or is the extended warranty simply more expensive? For instance, is the extended warranty on a 2005 Outback 2.5XT Limited more expensive than one on the 2005 Outback LL Bean?
#2358 of 2365 Re: H6 Legacy GT [jon_in_ct]
Feb 19, 2005 (10:58 am)
I didn't know about a "Turbo Surcharge" for a Subaru Extended Warranty. Is that term actually used or is the extended warranty simply more expensive?
From the Added Security price list:
"Turbo Surcharge: add $250 to 80k and 100k plans"
Feb 19, 2005 (11:35 am)
that's a good idea, it can come back if the official presence comes back...
#2360 of 2365 Re: H6 Legacy GT [aaykay]
Feb 19, 2005 (7:31 pm)
I think the difference in handling due to the engine is going to be minimal, given the various trades between the H4 and H6. Yeah, the H4 turbo has a top mounted intercooler, but in every other respect the H6 is equal or heavier.
The big difference between the two is the torque and where it comes on. H6 is fast at highway speeds, but the H4 turbo is superior off the line.
#2361 of 2365 Re: H6 Legacy GT [c_hunter]
Feb 19, 2005 (8:09 pm)
It seems to me that, interpreting aaykay's post, the issue isn't whether the H6 handles better/worse or weighs less/more than the turbo H4, it's whether the H6 is expected to be more durable/reliable than the turbo H4. He certainly raises a credible concern about the turbo H4's durability/reliability by drawing attention to the fact that an extended warranty from Subaru costs an extra $250 dollars whenever a Subaru's engine is turbocharged.
#2362 of 2365 Turbo surcharge
Feb 20, 2005 (2:16 pm)
I dunno. The presence of a turbo surcharge doesn't explicitly say anything about reliability vs. NA.
It could be as simple as Subaru guessing that more turbo owners will drive harder thereby increasing failure rates. I can definetly see that being representative of the WRX crowd. Or, it can be that the H6 makes up a relatively small portion of all engines sold so that's it wasn't worth administering the surcharge for that configuration.
Or, it might be that it's easier to justify charging more for a turbo engine just because people think it's less reliable -- extracting consumer surplus so to speak.
I think we'll know the answer in about five years from now when a good number of people are well into their extended warranty period. But I agree, that having a surcharge does send a message to be questioned by the owners.
Feb 20, 2005 (2:55 pm)
Spec B, anyone?
If only for the 6 speed and 18" rims.
#2364 of 2365 Re: Turbo surcharge [kens]
Feb 21, 2005 (2:23 pm)
Excellent points Ken
#2365 of 2365 For the time being...
by Karen@Edmunds HOST
Feb 22, 2005 (9:51 am)
..until Patti is permitted to return, this discussion will be read only.
Patti, everyone is hoping to see you back here soon!