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#787 of 903 2005 Rx8 Shinka v. standard Rx8... v. Infiniti G35?
Jul 03, 2005 (3:37 pm)
I went to the Mazda dealer today and really like the Rx-8. Still considering the Infiniti G35 among others. The salespeople were not real clear but can anyone out there tell me the actual differences between a Shinka and a fully loaded standard Rx8? Also, they said they have not seen any Shinka's with Nav. Any help would be appreciated. Also, pricing. Should I be at or below invoice on a Shinka?
#788 of 903 Re: 2005 Rx8 Shinka v. standard Rx8... v. Infiniti G35? [larryallen707]
Jul 03, 2005 (4:45 pm)
The info on the Shinka should be here.
Bright finish wheels, black cherry paint (does nothing for me, and is even a standard color on a Miata!), GT pack but with parchment leather (nice), CD changer, Sirius sat radio (1yr sub included), piano-black interior trim, satin finish interior trim bits, and a couple of (minor?) suspension changes.
Some dealers are treating these as a "rare limited edition" and not dealing, others it is just another car and should be available around invoice.
To me, it is some stuff I would want and a lot that I don't (like the paint) for a price a lot higher than I can get for a GT.
NAV is not available in the Shinka for some reason. Any other color GT w/NAV is about the same price as a Shinka w/o NAV.
I love the looks of the G35 and the motor is very powerful. I don't think the interior is as nice as the 8 and to be honest the 8 looks better from the outside to me, but not by much. The G should get better gas mileage and have much higher resale value. The 8 combines sharp, tossible handling with livable daily driving comfort. The G is not as a nice handling car, but the extra power and torque make it "better" for most drivers. You should be able to get a MUCH better deal on an 8 than a G, but if you lease the high residual on the G may make it close ot the same to lease or even less (though your price is higher). The 8's rear seat is much more usable by real people.
Drive both (or all 3 counting the non-Shinka 8) and see which speaks to you. Try to find a used 8 and used G to drive so you can wind them up to redline to get a real feel for how it will be after your nw one is broken in.
For me the 8 is the one, despite all the "obvious" advantages of the G or Z over the 8. But I also sold a 'vette convertible and got an S2000, so I may just be not normal
#789 of 903 Re: 2005 Rx8 Shinka v. standard Rx8... v. Infiniti G35? [dwynne]
Jul 03, 2005 (8:43 pm)
Thanks Dennis. That was very good info. Funny, but it was much better than anything I got today from guys actually selling those cars for a living! Went back to look at the G tonight and am leaning toward it. Just a bit nicer and at the moment I am thinking it's worth the money. THANK YOU!
#790 of 903 Re: 2005 Rx8 Shinka v. standard Rx8... v. Infiniti G35? [larryallen707]
Jul 04, 2005 (6:55 pm)
If you really don't need a backseat, then you can cross shop the 350z - but I think the G looks better (and hold value better too). Also, see if you can find a Mustang GT to test drive. About the same price, has the retro look (looks a lot my first car, a '67 Mustang) and big V-8 power. Is not going to handle like the 8, but will take off when you romp on the go pedal. About the same price too.
#791 of 903 Does anyone else want Nav updates?
Jul 04, 2005 (11:11 pm)
We love the Rx8, even though it has been tougher than my wife thought to learn a stick. My first car was a Mazda 1800 station wagon, so both the maker and I have come a long way. My only complaint is that the Nav desparately needs an update as many of the newer roads and POI are missing. Does anyone have connections with Mazda to get them to support a very expensive option? It would have been cheaper to buy an after market GPS system and had more control on updates.
#792 of 903 Re: Does anyone else want Nav updates? [mex8]
Jul 05, 2005 (5:38 am)
The new 2005 8s are coming with the 2003 (I think) maps still. If you go to the map-makers home page and try to buy an updated map set you get:
How to Get This Map
New updates are not currently available.
To order replacement discs, get Canadian prices, or for any other questions, call 1-888-NAV-MAPS ( 628-6277) for assistance.
Why not call and ask them what the scoop is?
#793 of 903 Re: Does anyone else want Nav updates? [dwynne]
Jul 06, 2005 (7:35 am)
I am also looking at the RX8 and the G35. I want the standard trans and after optioning both cars out the way I want them the G MSRP is almost $5,000 more. The G may be a slightly better car overall, but the zoom-zoom looks of the 8 make it my choice at the price difference.
I think the NAV is way overpriced and I'm looking for an aftermarket one.
Can you really get $ 5,000 off a 05 RX8? I finally got a list of every option and package and the Shinka is not appealing to me at all. The problem is finding exactly what you want with the GT package and some line item options, colors and interiors.
Does anyone know anything about changes to the 06? Minor? None?
I have loved cars since the 64 'stang (I was 14) It is nice to see so many of you out there.
#794 of 903 Re: Does anyone else want Nav updates? [jimstack41]
Jul 06, 2005 (8:11 am)
I have not seen or heard the latest offers from Mazda (the lease special expired Tuesday). You should be able to get an 05 for invoice or below, and there was $2k in MAC lease rebates and then you might try for the $500 Geber rebate. With discounts, freebies, and rebates mine was about $3,400 under INVOICE.
I am sure Mazda will have some cash or lease or dealer promo for July as well, we will just have to see what it is. If you can find a new 04 like you want, you are looking at $4,000 - $4,500 or more under invoice.
#795 of 903 Lease special continued and $1k in MAC finance money
Jul 07, 2005 (7:48 pm)
The new special are posted now on the MazdaUSA web page. They may vary by region, so put in your ZIP code to check. For most the 24 month lease has carried over from last month:
2005 RX-8 6-Speed $299/Month, 24-Month Lease, $2,599 due at Lease Signing after $2,000 cash back*. Includes 1st Month’s Payment and Security Deposit. Excludes taxes, title and fees.**
* The Amount due at Lease Signing is higher in the following states: Connecticut ($3,257); Massachusetts ($3,356); Rhode Island ($3,422); Virginia ($2,994); and West Virginia ($3,011).
** Dealer participation required. Not all lessees will qualify for lowest payment through Mazda American Credit. Some payments higher, some lower based on residency and other factors. Not available for NY residents. Lessee responsible for excess wear and mileage over 24,000 at $0.15/mile. Total payments of $7,176. Purchase option at lease end for $15,364. Take new retail delivery from dealer stock by 8/01/05. See participating dealer for qualifications.
They also show $1k in MAC cash. You could already get $2k in money on a lease, looks like now you can get $1k if you purchase with a MAC loan. Watch the rates, though. While the MAC lease special is below market value - and MAC loan may be over market value. So compare the payment with your own financing and not $1k rebate VS getting $1k off and doing the MAC loan.
#796 of 903 Re: Lease special continued and $1k in MAC finance money [dwynne]
Jul 11, 2005 (6:17 am)
The inventory I see on the net is all 05 models. I have read that 04's are no longer listed on the internet inventories. Is that true?
There are four or five dealers within 75 miles listing 4 to 6 05's in stock. I'm paying cash. For MSRP's around $33,000 should I be looking at a final price of less than 30 grand?
There seem to be a lot of choices around my area and too many G35's on the road. I'm definetly going RX8!