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Mazda RX-8, Coupe
#635 of 903 Re: Corporate Pay Off [dwynne]
Apr 09, 2005 (5:57 pm)
You aren't going to believe this! I haven't heard anything from the Mazda dealership so we threw in the towel and started shopping for other "fun cars" like the VW New Beetle convertible and the Toyota Solara convertible. We discounted the Beetle, but we liked the Solara. Toyota quality, reliability, milegae, resale value...with front wheel drive for our upstate NY winters. Came to an agreement on price but wanted to think about it. It's certainly not an 8 but it is a practical "fun car" for a second vehicle. I get home and doesn't the Mazda dealer call, agreeing to sell me a new 2004 RX-8 GT pkg for $5,000 below invoice!! Damn! After debating with the wife about all the benefits that the Solara had over the RX-8 (mileage, resale, front wheel drive...) now I have to attempt to down play all those Toyota attributes to justify getting (from what I've read on these forums) the fuel thirsty, under powered A/C, fuel flooding, oil burning, sludge forming RX-8 with it's $250 tires that only last 15,000 miles car that I can't drive in the snow without buying $1,000 worth of snow tires! Whew! This is going to be a tough sell but I want one, darn it! Just wish the dealer didn't play these games. If they can sell me the car for $5,000 off invoice now, they could have done so a week ago and now, I wouldn't have to eat crow! Wish me luck.
#636 of 903 Re: Corporate Pay Off [cappy4103]
Apr 09, 2005 (6:08 pm)
Good luck! The car is a lot of to drive, but like you said ther are some issues with it - poor milages on the required premium gas, flooding, maybe poor resale down the road. But, it is unique and fun car. Hey, I want one too - even with the flaws and at that price the resistance to the car can be just about impossible to overcome. I love getting a deal, and $5k under actual invoice is a deal.
#637 of 903 Re: Corporate Pay Off [dwynne]
Apr 11, 2005 (9:23 am)
You mentioned the premium gas as a downer, I have been running mid-grade in my 8 for some time, and am considering dropping to 87 octane because of the price and see if I get pinging... I know that the pinging only has been happening to folks when they "floor it" at like 2000 rpms and that's when they are getting the pre-detonation. Since I am never planning to "floor it" at 2000 rpms, I doubt I'll hear any pinging.
I would only worry about flooding if you don't have the latest flash on your car's CPU and if you start it, run it for about 20-30 seconds, and then shut it down cold.
The deal you are describing is AWESOME! I got a good deal on my "leftover" '04 back in November. (Invoice, minus the at the time $1500 rebate, plus they paid me about $1000 more for my trade than it was worth "wholesale" )
#638 of 903 Re: Corporate Pay Off [wpavlik2]
Apr 11, 2005 (9:26 am)
Gotta see what deals are available after I sell a car I am afraid now that the codes department is going to come see me thinking I am running a car lot. My insurance man sure seems to like me, though
I think the flood problem can happen even with the latest (N?) flash, it is just something you have to be aware of and use the "rev it up" before you shut it off method if you can't warm it up.
You should be getting better mileage the worse gas you run, but I want all the performance in the car (and usually more) so I would run the expensive stuff...
#639 of 903 MPG, flooding, oil...
Apr 11, 2005 (12:03 pm)
I got right at 19 mpg on my last tank of gas using high octane premium. It was about half and half on highway/town driving. My current tank looks to be around 16 with all in town and just making a common sense guess on the amount of gas i've used. I always use the premium gas - my dealer advised against the cheaper stuff. I'm really pleased with the mpg's i've gotten so far and if i can get at least 16, i'm ok with that.
I have had no flooding problems and my trip to work is very short (2 or 3 mins). I usually take a trip around the block before parking to warm it up a little better (also delays the agony of checking in to work a couple minutes early).
Just checked my oil and will need to be adding soon (before my oil change). What kind of oil do you rotary veterans recommend?
#640 of 903 Re: MPG, flooding, oil... [lhess]
Apr 11, 2005 (12:20 pm)
Good news on the MPGs - it should get better with time as the motor breaks in.
Kudos for checking the oil on a new car - most folks do not and for sure on the rotary you have to. Some non-rotary engines will use some oil during break in but so many folks never check the oil level "it is a new car, why should I?".
As to the oil, anything other than synthetic - as long as the viscosity and SAE service match what the owner's manual calls for. Note: for the record I have never owned a rotary engine car
Apr 12, 2005 (7:50 am)
just remember...the rotary engine does not take pinging well. you might save a few dollars but your only one ping away from needed a new engine. Don't risk it.
#642 of 903 Re: wpavlic [audia8q]
Apr 12, 2005 (8:36 am)
There are approximately 15 different gasoline formulations used in the US.They vary state to state and various times of the year[winter/summer]. In southern california I've been using 87 for about a year now.No pinging experienced ever.These different formulations may go along way to explain the differences drivers form different parts of the country experience with gas mileage.
Apr 15, 2005 (10:14 am)
Cars pretty much never ping anymore. The computers won't let them. If you want to reduce your horsepower and drivability to save a few cents, 87 octane is fine. But if that is a good compromise for you, why in the world would you want an RX-8?
Apr 15, 2005 (1:16 pm)
I didnt want to start a debate on octane....but I can't think of a single directive in 20+ years in the biz that I have seen more than the one stating that premium unleaded must be used on the RX-8.....They send it over in big velocity red letters..
I can't imagine why anyone would ignore such a strongly worded warning from a manufacturer....this isnt an Escort. I would guess they have a very good reason for making such strong statements..oh btw: Mazda does not own any gas stations, lol