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#803 of 842 Re: Despite their popularity among the young people.... [nvbanker]
Aug 11, 2008 (7:26 am)
Well, not enough people want them to please VW. It looks like we won't get the next-gen Golf next year, because Rabbit sales have been so slow.
The only people I have ever known with VWs have sworn them off after one, never to return. There is one exception though: a coworker that had a late 90s Golf for almost ten years, finally traded it in on a new A3 about 18 months ago, which she likes a lot. She called the Golf reliable, but when we got into the details of it there were enough repairs that I would have tired of it quickly and walked away from VWs permanently. She just likes that "German feel" and is willing to put up with lots of repair hassles to have it.
She has managed to have three bad accidents in the A3, only one of which was her fault, but apart from that there have been no repairs so far.
#804 of 842 Re: Despite their popularity among the young people.... [nippononly]
Aug 11, 2008 (9:23 am)
She just likes that "German feel" and is willing to put up with lots of repair hassles to have it.
And that, I think, is really the only reason people buy VWs at all. They do drive well and feel good, if you can stand the failures and repairs. Some people aren't bothered by that. But most, as you said, in my experience don't go back for a second VW.
#805 of 842 Re: Despite their popularity among the young people.... [nvbanker]
Aug 11, 2008 (11:38 am)
the Air Conditioning is a joke
The A/C in my son's 1996 Jetta is fantastic...still ice cold. It is better than the A/C in my new Mazda. My wife's A/C in her 1995 new Jetta is also seems better than mine.
While several models have had reliability problems, according to CR the new Jetta and Rabbit, with the 2.5 engine, have had average or better reliability so far.
#806 of 842 Re: Despite their popularity among the young people.... [jeffyscott]
Aug 11, 2008 (11:57 am)
Both of those Jettas in your family are older cars now: did they need repairs in the first 100K miles? Of those (if any), was there anything that actually stopped the car from running or presented a health or safety issue?
My friend's '95 just about drove her nuts - she was always repairing something. Windows were a problem. I was always remarking that some new little thing, usually a button, had fallen off. The moonroof stopped working. Lots of little things cropped up, including the odometer quitting, which happened six months before the auto trans quit, causing her to dump it with about 75K miles, at the tender age of 3-1/2 years.
The A/C ran like a dream up until the day she abandoned it for a Camry (talk about a change of pace in cars!). That Jetta had better A/C than just about any car I have ever owned.
She DID like the car. Had it continued to run, even with all the little things that no longer worked, I do believe she would have kept it. But of course the trans required some huge repair, estimate in the $1000s, and the car was grounded without the repair, so she said adios. She has never had a VW since and warns people away from VW who are thinking of buying one.
#807 of 842 Re: Despite their popularity among the young people.... [nippononly]
Aug 11, 2008 (12:21 pm)
Wow, my wife's new car is now older
We don't drive a lot so she only has about 25K mi on it. The significant repairs (covered under warranty) were replacement of strut bearings with a redesigned part and replacement of transmission throttle body. There were a handful of very minor items when it was new. It also needs the trunk struts replaced as they are supposed to lift the trunk lid and no longer do, that'll be done under warranty at next oil change. Nothing stopped the car from running or was a safety issue all issues were or could have been taken care of at the same time as normal maintenance was being performed and VW provides a free loaner during warranty period.
My son bought his 1996 used about a year ago and it has needed an amazing amount of repairs. We knew about $600 of these when it was purchased, but he put another $1000+ into it after that and it would have been even more if he had not done the oil pump and ignition coil himself. Several times when it was not broken he has thought about selling it, even had it on craigslist once, but has not. He has certainly learned a lot about cars from owning it and researching his problems. He does like the comfortable seat, handling, and "solidity" of it. He now is modifying it, his next project is to install a super-charger...which is a crazy idea to me. I made no reliabilty claims regarding that one, which is only right around 100,000 miles, just pointed out that the A/C is great in contrast to the comment that was made about VW A/C being a joke.
#808 of 842 Re: Despite their popularity among the young people.... [nippononly]
Aug 11, 2008 (12:27 pm)
A roomate of mine in college had a 95 Jetta, at the time only a few years old. It was very glitchy, it had the window problems too,along with a factory stereo that only worked half the time, the typical VW failing exterior lights, and I remember it had an appetite for wheel bearings. No less than once every other week I remember having to take him to the dealer to pick up his car.
#809 of 842 Re: Despite their popularity among the young people.... [jeffyscott]
Aug 11, 2008 (2:44 pm)
The "joke" about the A/C is not the temperature of it - it is the noise the fan and air makes coming through the vents, while not a lot of air, albeit it cold, is actuallly coming through the vents. Very noisy compared to any other car I have, and insufficient volume of air in the Touareg.....whatever that means...
#810 of 842 Re: Despite their popularity among the young people.... [fintail]
Aug 11, 2008 (5:06 pm)
Yup, the light problems sound familiar, my friend had plenty of those and would sometimes just let them go until she was warned by the police, unless it was the actual headlights. She rode around for about six months with no working rear lights except brake lights, The police finally caught her. That one was expensive, I remember that. The third brake light quit in year two and never worked again - she DIDN'T fix that one. And like so many others, hers was one of "those" VWs where warning lights on the dash were just on permanently, they became part of a familiar landscape and after a while nobody paid them any mind any longer. It's a good thing cars don't have to pass smog until year five in California, because one of the lights that was permanently on was the CEL, and I bet that would have been expensive to fix too.
She had no wheel bearing problems, but did have to replace one of the front axles IIRC, and I know she was absolutely PLAGUED with problems with the remote entry....and it wasn't a case of needing a new remote battery either. She had no-starts on several occasions because of electrical this and that but I tell you, she would have stood by that car even with ALL THAT, if that transmission hadn't quit. Some people just like that VW "feel". When the tranny gave out though, she was left in the hole as she hadn't paid the loan off and the car was worth way less than what she had left to pay. That left her kind of sore, which is why she actively campaigns against VW when the topic arises.
jeffyscott: well, cars bought at 100K miles don't count in my book, as neglect and abuse can have wrought a grim picture by that age, and have necessitated all sorts of repairs regardless of make. But your wife's '95 only has 25K miles?? Did you mean it was a 2005? And I'm afraid I don't know what a transmission throttle body is - do you mean the throttle body in the fuel injection system? That's kind of an esoteric part to go with only 25K on the clock.
#811 of 842 Re: Despite their popularity among the young people.... [nippononly]
Aug 11, 2008 (6:11 pm)
A coworker of mine had an 04 Jetta...it would lose a taillight like clockwork about every 6 weeks or so. It also ate a couple headlights in the 40K miles he had it. That's just not right.
#812 of 842 Re: Despite their popularity among the young people.... [fintail]
Aug 11, 2008 (6:15 pm)
I'm one of those that bought a Volkswagen once and won't touch them anymore. It was all the way back in 1979 (an 80 Rabbit) but it was a nightmare of electrical glitches which seems to be a common theme in here.
Back in 99 I came very close to buying a Passat. If I had even the slightest faith in reliability I'd have bought it but in the end I ended up in what I considered a lesser but far more dependable car. The years have proved me right. Sigh...