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#815 of 914 Re: Never had a Vette [smu1976] by smu1976 Sep 02, 2006 (9:42 pm)
Replying to: smu1976 (Aug 31, 2006 8:57 pm) This is my orginal post, nothing about a 2005 Z06. Don't proclaim to be a car "expert", but have had enough sports cars in my 50 years to be able to post on a forum. I do agree, CU does favor the vanilla cars and the high end is not rated well, but if you read the article and please do read the article before commenting it does compare other high end sports cars, actually nothing below 46K. I would imagine we all read all the auto rags, from MT, CD, Autoweek, Automobile, R&T, etc. Yes, super high end, you will get simlar performance Auto versus Stick, but this forum is not about those cars. You will not find that with the Vette (see auto versus manual performance) and if you get it (an automatic) with the Z06 Vette your doing some great work in your garage, cause they don't make it (kinda ends that discussion on this car for auto does it not). If you like the automatic in the other Vette's, it fits your lifestyle, buy it and enjoy, thats not my message. My message is your not getting an AUTOMATIC IN A Z06, as the S2000, or VIPER. They have not found an automatic that will handle that torque, nor is there a demand for these cars with auto's with it. They sell fine, they are niche cars that don't effect the bottom line of GM, Honda or Dodge with there actual sales revenue anyway. You may want to answer this question though, why is there no AUTO with the Z06 Vette? One final thought, would not Vette owners on this board (read about 50 post on the thread) be so much better served by GM with a 50K plus car with a little better warranty than the Chevy Cobalt? Can't they give you girls and guys 4 years 50K miles bumper to bumper without bucking up more $$?. Is the Vette the worst warranty in the over 50K cars? Why? See Buick, Caddilac, Saab divisions with much less expensive cars, but 25% better warranty coverage. Maybe a lesson from Hyundai to be learned here? Owner satisfaction goes way up when you ain't got to pay for repair (South Korean Proverb). Have a good and safe holiday weekend, whatever you may drive and lets be thankful we can all choose what we like and afford to have fun. Replies to this message: tsy (Sep 05, 2006 1:30 pm)
#816 of 914 Re: Automatic mini-vans Re: Never had a Vette [pony_pirate] by smu1976 Sep 02, 2006 (9:44 pm)
Replying to: pony_pirate (Sep 02, 2006 9:24 pm) I think some believe paddle shifters from some auto makers without a clutch is what is on the high performance cars. Replies to this message: pony_pirate (Sep 03, 2006 2:12 pm)
#817 of 914 The Fewer Controls, the Better by pony_pirate Sep 03, 2006 (2:12 pm)
Replying to: smu1976 (Sep 02, 2006 9:44 pm) I know the new Lexus has a paddle shifter, but to me this represents part of the overall trend of luxury European cars, BMW and Mercedes included, to have computers and gadgets take control of the car from the driver. That's fine for a big fat luxury sedan, I guess, but, imo, is anathema to the purist driving experience of a true sports or muscle car.   I want to drive, not have some computer try to do a better job than I might or might not be able to.   Most of the time, I even disable the traction control on my Mustang.   I don't even want a navigation system: too distracting; ruins the simplicity of the dash (high-tech nerdy look); and if you don't know where you are, you don't need a $1700 GPS system -- take out a $4 map.   Also, auto adds weight to a car, detracts from gas mileage.   The only advantage I can see to auto is that once in a while it frees up a hand.   Personally, I've shifted all my life and feel much more comfortable with manual, feel I have more control, than with an auto. I can downshift on curves, hills, in emergencies, etc. With manual, I can drive soft, at low RPM, hard at high RPM, or anywhere in between. And I really don't like auto, especially on take-off.
#818 of 914 The pirate speaks the truth by toquinho Sep 03, 2006 (9:44 pm)
Thanks pony pirate for speaking the gospel. Manual is essential to the driving experience.   I bought my '07 Corvette with manual transmission, without a computer screen and without extra crap... er... I mean gadgetry. My upgrades were the 2LT interior (for side air bags) and Z51 for suspension and gearing.   But its a personal matter. Different strokes for different folks. And I do concede that when I test drove last year's M3 with the SMG transmission, I was pretty excited. It was a little like a video game. Gears available at the touch of a button. I can see that it would be intoxicating after getting used to that type of driving.
#819 of 914 Wildly varying 0-60 times? What gives? by toquinho Sep 03, 2006 (9:57 pm)
btw., why is there such a wide range of 0-60 times for the C6? Maybe that's true for all cars out there and I'm just more aware of it with the Corvette. But I've seen 0-60 times listed between 4.1 and 5.1 secs.   That's an outraggeous difference. 25% swing! And that 1 second is the difference between a really fast car and an exoctically fast car. 5.1 is marginally better than a supped-up, $35k Japanese 4 banger (STi) or some quick V6s (350z). 4.1 is $100k ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche Carrera S territory.   The 5.1sec slow pokes are the numskulls at Consumer reports (I think -- I was flipping through a mag earlier today). They posted 5.1 with a non-z51 convertible. Undoubtedly, that's the slowest possible C6. btw., they also advise buyers to avoid the "overly harsh ride of the z51 package". I like their maintenance info. Very handy. But woe be the day I go there for driving excitement advice.   The 4.1 and 4.2 times were posted by Car and Driver (I think...) in their 2005 reviews. And I believe Chevy claims 4.5 0-60. Replies to this message: jayelleseven (Sep 04, 2006 7:59 pm) toquinho (Sep 04, 2006 11:34 pm) bolivar (Sep 04, 2006 9:37 pm)
#820 of 914 Edmunds... 5.23 sec 0-60?? by toquinho Sep 03, 2006 (10:40 pm)
Our discussion group hosts posted the slowest 0-60 time ever. They managed to reach 60 in 5.23 sec with a non-z51 when they were comparing the Corvette to a Carrera S. btw, they got the Porsche to 60 in 4.48 sec.
#821 of 914 Re: Wildly varying 0-60 times? What gives? [toquinho] by jayelleseven Sep 04, 2006 (7:59 pm)
Replying to: toquinho (Sep 03, 2006 9:57 pm) chevy claims 0-60 in 4.1 with a 6speed manual with Z51. They claim 4.3 for a non Z51 6 speed. I read it on another forum.     but YES I WANNA be a Baller and do 4.1!!      As far as real world results, they are ALWAYS slower and who knows how many trials magazines do cuz sometimes they achieve really good times.      As for the guy that got the Z51 with 2LT, did you get a good deal? thats exactly what im looking for-- coupe! Replies to this message: toquinho (Sep 04, 2006 11:34 pm)
#822 of 914 Re: Wildly varying 0-60 times? What gives? [toquinho] by bolivar Sep 04, 2006 (9:37 pm)
Replying to: toquinho (Sep 03, 2006 9:57 pm) Consumer Reports - I'm pretty sure I've read in the past how they run their quarter mile tests. For automatics, they do not 'brake torque' the car, they just hold the car at idle and then floor the accelerator at green light.   Not sure about manuals, but I bet they do not run up a high rpm, and probably do not rush shifts.   I'm not surprised their times are the slowest.
#823 of 914 Re: Good deal on 2LT by toquinho Sep 04, 2006 (11:34 pm)
Replying to: jayelleseven (Sep 04, 2006 7:59 pm) I think my 'deal' was ok. There are very few 2LTs in dealer's stock. I ended up ordering my car and have yet to receive it. Expect it in 2-3 weeks. I originally got a dealer with an allocation down to $2500 off MSRP (in Northern CA). Then through slow negotiation and pointing to deals on Kerbeck and others, I got the price down to $3500 off MSRP and ordered the car. My car was supposedly $1800 above invoice, so I figure there was some more money on the table I didn't take, but it wouldn't have come easy.
#824 of 914 Re: Demo & Reviews by smile1017 Sep 05, 2006 (12:13 pm)
Replying to: jayelleseven (Sep 01, 2006 7:03 pm) I know that here is SoCal there is usually a demo event at the end of September.   With regard to everyone reading the various reviews in CU (which I didn't read) or Car and Driver (I think) it seems to me that the Vette does not fit nicely in anyone's categories. For example, in the review that I read they were comparing the Vette to $100K cars such the Ferari and Lambroghini. So when it comes to fit an finish, the Vette was not the top pick. With regard to performance, the Vette beat every other car that they tested it against. So depending on why you are buying a Vette you may decide to buy one of the other cars. Me, I am stick to the Vette and am willing to give up the fine Italian leather to save the 50%. Besides, you can alway get the seats re-upholstered in better leather than the Ferari and still be saving a chunck of change. Corvettes as I have learned is a very unique car that is in a category of its own. As a result, Corvette owners that I have met have tended to be happy owners, and very unique themselves. Most importantly of all they would not have bought any other car regardless of the time spent in the shop or any other reson just because they love driving them.

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