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Replying to: pony_pirate (Aug 29, 2006 6:08 pm) It will be like a daily driver and I will be missing out on many things the Infiniti has standard... |
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Replying to: jayelleseven (Aug 29, 2006 1:44 pm) Well, at the risk of preaching here, I have an issue with the strategy of arranging to test drive a C6 ( or any other car ) at a dealer where you have no interest or expectation of attempting to purchase. I expect ( in the next 30 days or so ) to give my ‘local dealer’ a legitimate shot at earning my business. If they do not meet my price and trade-in requirements, I will use the GMID certificate I have already obtained to purchase a C6 at a dealership ( way ) out of state. I have already told the salesperson that I’d prefer to purchase locally ( for several reasons ) but that if they will not meet my price, I will buy elsewhere, and specified a salesperson & dealership that would accept GMID. ( About 10 miles from where my Mom lives. ) There is a non-trivial cost involved in stocking a selection of $50K +/- units available for sale & test drive. Working in distribution ( not cars ) for many years, I appreciate some of the economics involved. I believe that the ready availability of 2 C6s equipped as I wanted to test drive them, and a willingness to allow me to drive each – as well as the convenience of purchase and trade of my current ride to a dealer within a half hour drive of where I live combine to be worth ‘something’. Versus either selling my car separately & flying 1,000 miles to pick it up ( sales tax is an issue here as well ) , or driving 1,000 miles to trade in my existing car & 1,000 miles back in the new C6 – or arranging Museum delivery in Bowling Green. . . It is definitely worth something, to me, but there is a limit to the $$ amount I will assign to that. Anyway – my point is really: Car salespeople are often accused ( and rightly so, in many cases ) of having low or no ethics in their business dealings with customers. I happen to believe that deceiving a car dealer \ salesperson into an erroneous understand that you are serious about buying a car from them is not ethically OK. Just my 0.02 gallons worth . . . - Ray Seeing a C6 in my future.
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Replying to: pony_pirate (Aug 29, 2006 6:08 pm) In my case, the C6 will also be my only car & Daily Driver. I cannot ( yet ) afford to have a C6 as a “Pleasure Only” weekend for fun car. There were therefore several issues that I wanted to evaluate that 1) I could only evaluate in a test drive and 2) were issues that would have been of much less importance if this was a second or third car and not used for my daily commute, etc. I have enough experience to understand that my priorities and my perception of ride characteristics ( for example ) are not exactly the same as anyone else who test drives and publishes reports. And the behavior of the new A6 trans. was of particular interest to me – and I have seen only one published report of this version. A test drive is also the only way I know of to evaluate several other dynamic options, such as the differences between the Z51 and F55 – and whether \ how much they matter to your taste, in the context of what they cost compared to the Base suspension. Or even to judge whether or not you’ll require the telescoping steering wheel – only available with the 3LT package, at almost $5K, and including a bunch of other stuff you may or may not want or need. But that’s just me. - Ray Odd in some respects, I’ll freely admit. |
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GMIDs continue to be the big mystery in this discussion group. No one ever describes how to 'obtain' one, though many posters mention they did. Rayainsw and others with GMIDs -- how did you obtain one? How can others obtain one? Are we breaking ethical boundaries by obtaining one? Please share your stories and insights! thanks.
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Every GM employee can give away two certificates per month for about 8-10% off MSRP depending on model. There is another program called GMS which offers better pricing but is open to employees and immediate family only. The GMID certificates are easily available, but it may be against the rules of Edmunds to post details here. I obtained one easily for my 2006 Corvette. If explicitly allowed by the host here, I can post details of how to get one if anybody's interested.
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Replying to: rayainsw (Aug 30, 2006 3:56 am) With Corvette it is not as simple as with most other cars. Dealers have allocations based on prior sales, if you didn't sell it before you don't get one now even if you have dozens of willing customers. So, it isn't a question of what is a good deal in the market, it is a question of what is best for that local dealer. If they only sell 6 to 12 per year and get impulse buyers then they know if you don't buy the next allocation it will sit for a month or so and someone will pay top dollar. It's only the large volume dealers that know they have to move all their allocations that have a need to really 'deal'. This then continues to keep them at the top of the supply chain when the new models come out and they get top dollar for every one they move through the lot. FWIW Randy
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Replying to: starrow68 (Aug 30, 2006 7:43 am) I am aware of the allocation issues unique to purchase of a C6. And I agree that there certainly are ‘small allocation’ dealers, with limited stock and few to sell each year. And there are clearly a ( relatively ) few dealers with very large allocations of Corvettes – and they typically have stock & can order with reasonable expectation of having the ordered car built quickly. The Dealers that fit into this high volume category, though, in my research, do NOT “. . .get top dollar for every one they move through the lot”. The ones I am aware of ( Les Stanford, Kerbeck, etc. ) actually offer significant discounts on their C6s – not selling them for “top dollar”, compared to dealers that try to sell their allocation for MSRP – or even more. Kerbeck, for example, I see is currently offering $4,500 off MSRP on in stock 2007 C6 Coupes – with a couple of dozen available at this pricing. A link on Les Stanford’s web site says they honor GMID as well as GM Supplier & GM Employee discounts. And I believe that discounts to ‘others’ are similar to Kerbeck’s. Am I misinterpreting what you wrote? My local dealer does not accept GMID, but my “GUESS” is that $3,500 to $4K off could be done on a 3LT A6 ( MSRP over $52K = what I want ) but perhaps a bit less on a 1LT w/manual trans. And a greater discount is likely for the remaining 2006s they still have. They currently have over 35 2006 & 2007 C6s in stock ( excluding Z06s ). Note that in some cases, at some dealers, obtaining the ‘best’ discounted prices require that you contact a particular salesperson. Likely because that person truly does specialize in selling Corvettes. My salerep does – and knows much more about the product that most typical sales dweebs. Though if you require a Tahoe at some time, that’s OK too . . . I have done a fair amount of research on the C6 and the purchase process. Some here may not find $50K to be enough money to bother being an informed buyer. I certainly do. In spending $50 to a hundred bucks on a small household appliance ( a small microwave or a toaster oven, for example ) I will typically spend a small amount of time to try to insure that what I choose will function as I want & not break Day One. Because of the inconvenience & time involved in replacement. At something approaching 1,000 times that amount, I am well motivated to do much more significant research to insure both that the item will be what I expect & that I pay a reasonable price – and that I understand the process to some level. Obsessive? Possibly. - Ray Trying hard to avoid even the slightest case of “buyers remorse” . .
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Replying to: toquinho (Aug 30, 2006 7:06 am) No intent ( on my part, at least ) to be mysterious. Personally, I happen to live across the street from a guy that has worked at the Doraville GM assembly plant, just North of Atlanta, for many years. I talked with him.... - Ray Not very mysterious... |
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Replying to: rayainsw (Aug 30, 2006 8:38 am) "This then continues to keep them at the top of the supply chain when the new models come out and they get top dollar ... " The big dealers were getting MSRP for the first year of the new c6 model, which for them is top dollar. Then as the model ages, as you note, they discount to keep up their allocations and not sit on inventory. The cycle is long but that gives them good return over the long haul, I presume. Mid volume dealers, like Fichtner in Montana, goes with MSRP or just $1k off early on and then matches the big people during the run while picking up a few extra units from places that find themselves with inventory going into winter and want to unload it. That's how he built a respectable allocation. I agree with you about research, that's why I didn't buy local and got our second one for almost $12k off at the end of the C5 run. That might be when I get a C6  Randy PS Thanks for the GMID input, I didn't really understand it compared to supplier discount, etc. |
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Replying to: defrit2000 (Aug 28, 2006 2:30 pm) Jayelleseven, I know how you feel. I am a 27 year old CPA here is SoCal and no dealer would give me the time of day when I showed up at the dealer and was looking at the one Vette in the showroom. Good thing I had a connections with the owner of the dealership. Well I plan to buy in about a year with museum delivery, 6 speed convertible. 
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