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Re: Reality Check [bhill2] by ravan
Jul 20, 2006 (5:27 am)
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Replying to: bhill2 (Jul 19, 2006 11:30 am)

Your point is very well taken and I totally agree with what you've said.
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In Customer Support - GM Looses Big by tjohn
Jul 25, 2006 (4:45 am)
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WOW, I just finished reading the past dozen or so posts. After seeing Jay Leno speak highly of the C6 on the first PAYBACK episode, I thought I would see what real buyers are saying after shelling out their actual hard earned cash for one (lets not forget Leno has 2 full time techs ensuring he isn't stranded on the side of the road).
 
I'm dissapointed but not surprised with what I'm reading, it's the same story I read 10 years ago when I thought I would buy a vette - well, once again, GM is selling to dreamers and not enthusiasts. That is most evident in how they treat their customers - you will not find this treatment at a Honda, Toyota, or Nissan Dealership - Or Volvo or even BMW. I really thought they changed, but it seems they haven't. If the Nissan deal (or Toyota) doesn't materialize - GM is doomed.
 
I work in a customer support organization on a program that produces fighter AC at $130M a copy, there is no way we would survive if our customer where making posts like these. I have serious doubts about GM making it without the "help" of Toyota or Nissan.
 
I have yet to buy a Chevy (I've owned Ford, Honda, Volvo and Toyota) just as quickly as the new C6 caught my eye, I have canned the idea once again of buying one....GM will not gain a new customer as long as real people are making posts like the above.
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Re: In Customer Support - GM Looses Big [tjohn] by ssmerocket
Jul 25, 2006 (6:54 am)
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Replying to: tjohn (Jul 25, 2006 4:45 am)

I don't think most of us based our decision to buy a C6 on the horror stories we read in this or any other forum. There are many ,many more happy owners out there with little or no problems to report. Just read through the Honda, Nissan etc. forums here and you will find similar stories and the words "lemon law", "lawyer", "never again", "dealer says it's OK" used over and over.
I have my own Nissan dealership horror stories....
If automakers spent as much time and money on quality control as your organization does on fighter aircraft or mine on space launch hardware no one could afford the cost of the automobiles. The quality has to be built in by design, robust manufacturing processes and minimal touch labor. There's bound to be escapes and unfortunately the folks affected will complain loudly to the rest of us as they have a right to do. But don't let the negativity get in the way of your decision.
There are a lot of dreamers AND enthusiasts who buy C6 Corvettes and they too are real people having a great time driving a great car!
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Re: In Customer Support - GM Looses Big [tjohn] by starrow68
Jul 25, 2006 (7:59 am)
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Replying to: tjohn (Jul 25, 2006 4:45 am)

"WOW, I just finished reading the past dozen or so posts."
 
I hope your research went just a little deeper. Since there have been about 34,000 Corvettes produced in each of the last few years, the number of complaints here is surprisingly small. BTW, there are other complaints that don't show up here but do at the make specific boards.
 
 Some times approach is more important than the facts, shouldn't be but life isn't always fair. I take my C5 to the track, some times 5 days in a month, some times 1 or 2 days. Last Friday it was just over 100 degrees and I was doing over 100mph at four points on a 2.5 mile track each lap, amazing what a robust design will stand up to. That has been the case for over 3 years on a 5 yr old car and the local dealer replaced my full ABS system a couple months ago under extended warranty. That is with a car that has an after market oil cooler, harness bar and 3" wide 6 pt belts hanging behind the seats. What does that prove, nothing, just like any other one off situation. Corvette has been getting good overall ratings for the past several years and is the best of what GM offers. Too bad you won't get a chance to try one out.
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Re: In Customer Support - GM Looses Big [tjohn] by tsy
Jul 25, 2006 (8:48 am)
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Replying to: tjohn (Jul 25, 2006 4:45 am)

If you look at the boards for any of these other manufacturers you will find people complaining about all of them. But it is a very small minority of very vocal people (or if you're really cynical, people who don't even really own the car!). I myself have had problems with VW and Nissan, so GM is not alone by any means.
 
Even Consumer Reports, a publication very very Japanese Automaker biased, shows that the Corvette is one of the most satisfying cars to own. And it is.
 
I doubt every car GM makes is perfect. But then again, not every car Toyota makes is perfect either. It would be nice if every 'imperfect' car sold could be returned and replaced, like Nordstrom, but no car manufacturer in the world does this. It's just not feasable.
 
The C6 Vette is a great car and don't let a few disgruntled people tell you otherwise. Do the research yourself and you'll find the vast majority of people (even enthusiasts!) agree.
 
tom
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Re: Hot C6 [fotorich] by bigmike5
Jul 27, 2006 (9:34 am)
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Replying to: fotorich (Jul 18, 2006 11:19 am)

If you feel you are getting nowhere then Lemon Law and court are the place to go. Yes, there may be some up front fees, but you may be able to get those back from the court. I had a friend in law school do one in MA on a Buick. They played hard ball all the way until the judge told the lawyers he wanted this case settled and gave them a half hour to do it. My buddy got a loaner before the case was pending and his money back, plus costs, and he had put several thousand miles on the new car and a large number of miles on the loaner--no deduction for either. That was a long time ago, in a different galaxy perhaps, but when push comes to shove, if you have a case you will win.
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To Z51 or not to Z51 by jc71251
Jul 29, 2006 (11:16 am)
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I am about to purchase an 07 C6 coupe. The dealer can get me one with the Z51 handling package immediately or I can wait and he will order me one w/o that package. This will be my daily driver and I don't expect to do any track time with this car. Having read some posts it sounds like the Z51 will mean faster tire wear and a significantly firmer/harsher ride. Correct?
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Re: To Z51 or not to Z51 [jc71251] by brianapal
Jul 30, 2006 (9:11 am)
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Replying to: jc71251 (Jul 29, 2006 11:16 am)

I cannot speak from experience but I ordered my 07 w/o the Z51 package. I also do not plan on racing mine. From my research the Z51 is a slightly stiffer ride, tires wear faster, and not as good a mileage.
 
You can go to the GM site and get into the gear ratios of the Z51, 6 speed, auto, and Z06. The Z51 ratios produce a faster car off the line but have a higher ratio also in 6th gear and thus not as good mileage if you are driving it any distance.
I am sure that you will hear from those that race theirs that the Z51 is the way to go. But that was not my desire.
I anticipate taking delivery the week of August 7.
Good luck with your decision!
 
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Re: To Z51 or not to Z51 [jc71251] by toquinho
Jul 30, 2006 (9:20 am)
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Replying to: jc71251 (Jul 29, 2006 11:16 am)

I also thought about this for a while. I too am not planning to race. I'm buying a corvette because its incredibly fast, is a good daily driver, looks great, is reasonably priced and has good resell value. For me, most important among those reasons is the "incredibly fast" one. How else can I drive a car 0-60 in 4.1secs? Thus, I decided to get the Z51 package. I'm lead to believe that the standard gearing results in 4.5 0-60 (the posted numbers from GM) and the Z51 results in the 4.1-4.3 posted by Car and Driver and Road and Track. 4.5 sounds pedetrian compared to 4.1. That's my 2-cents.
 
By the way, my previous '96 M3 had a ride that was harsher than the Z51 I test drove so I wasn't worried about the daily drive with the Z51.
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Re: To Z51 or not to Z51 [toquinho] by jc71251
Jul 31, 2006 (4:25 pm)
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Replying to: toquinho (Jul 30, 2006 9:20 am)

Thanks to you and Brianapal for two different points of view. I decided to go w/o the Z51 package. I am going from a 350Z that does 0-60 in about 5.3 to a car that does it in 4.5 seconds, so I will give up the extra .4 seconds for a little longer tire wear, smoother ride and better gas milage. Thanks again for the info.

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