Last post on Mar 23, 2010 at 10:05 PM
You are in the Chevrolet Corvette
What is this discussion about?
Chevrolet Corvette, Coupe
#462 of 917 Re: Nice Improvements Chevy......... [bpraxis]
Jan 24, 2005 (9:03 pm)
Comparisons that pick on specific items in opposite directions seem less than useful. Ask for more warranty but compare to cars with lower prices, maybe your not as close to the market as the car is.
1. Got 6/60 and 5/60 warranty on the two C5's we have, not a great additional cost and the 2002 has already recouped about half it's cost for an electronic module that is not a common problem.
2. Hummer's are in many cases sold at Chevy dealers.
3. Why get an auto in a sports car? Enough said!
4. Price comparisons are way off, at least according to Edmunds:
Pricing TT Corvette RX-8
MSRP $36,900 $43,710 $26,875
Invoice $34,100 $38,246 $24,844
Hardly $20k and $30k differences.
Then compare low 200's HP for the other two to Vette with 400 HP and it gets better mileage than the Mazda and within a mile or two of the TT, fantastic technology there. You get what you pay for.
5. AS to air bags they add weight and if you understood the split market that is addressed you'd know that many don't want that but others don't care, perfect reasons for making it an option.
Your broader audience isn't being addressed but a well researched audience is and it's on target.
Jan 24, 2005 (9:10 pm)
I have to agree about the west coast dealers not being up to speed on the vette, partly due to low volume which they perpetuate by their approach. Buying off the internet is the best approach and either pick up and make it a vacation, done that twice, pick up at the factory or take courtesy delivery at say a Caddy dealer and get your pampering. Good research will save a lot, talking to sales people will waste a lot of time, JOMO.
#464 of 917 Re: [Mr_Shiftright]
Jan 24, 2005 (9:16 pm)
"automatic transmission makes sense since so many Corvettes are sold as automatics, so that's a "no-brainer" "
Let's see what happens this year, when the 6sp is standard and the auto is the option, the reverse of the past C5 approach. Having spent a long time looking for a Vette it bacame obvious that dealers who didn't have an order to fill put what the marketing manager called for on the floor and more often than not that was standard, auto. So, those who bought from local dealer, what was available, got auto.
Like i said, let's see how '05 final production numbers come out, may not change much since they are same cost, where 6sp was $900 option before but I think it will migrate some.
Jan 24, 2005 (9:35 pm)
Yeah I think the ratio's of automatics to manuals trasmissions is something on the order of 65%. The Z06 model has a "no option" 6 speed manual transmission. So if normal production is app 34,000 and Z06 production is app 16-18% 5440-6120 manuals. So that means that app 6000 non Z06's are 6 speed manuals for a 6 speed manual total of app 12000/34000 or 22,000 are automatics.
#466 of 917 Re: Nice Improvements Chevy......... [bpraxis]
Jan 25, 2005 (8:56 am)
" 3. If this is the leading edge of your technology how about a 5 speed automatic transmission??? Or a six speed like Mercedes. Or maybe even a CVT. This would have been better money spent than the electric door handles. "
With a manumatic six speed automatic now (or at least announced, officially) available on a RWD GM vehicle with 400+ HP (the STS-v) there seems to be a real possibility that GM will eventually install said device in a C6.
I understand that there may be some issues with fitment in the C6, considering the physical dimensions of this 6 speed compared to the current 4 speed. But I’d be pretty amazed if Chevy didn’t have something like this upgrade in mind during the C6 design process. . .
The warrantee and dealer service issues are valid from my viewpoint, as well. It appears (from other boards) that most buy their Corvettes in spite of these obstacles. Good for them!
My $.01 (discounted from MSRP). . .
Arthritis requires an automatic, but I am still interested in a C6 . .
Jan 25, 2005 (9:58 am)
I haven't seen the specifications for the new C6, but the Corvette actually competes on a weight (more directly LACK thereof) dimension. The problem as I see it is it is a bit like selling safety, not easily graphic or sound bite able. "LESS IS BETTER ! But I would submit to you that folks probably would not be too keen on paying more for less: unlike Porsche owners!
The easiest way to say it graphically is 10 hp for every 100#'s is needed to B/E or compensate when it comes to power to weight ratio and also this equates to 1-3 mpg. Most folks would know this but.... So most Euro competitors are easily 400-600#s more than the Corvette (my Z06 is 3150#s, 405 hp/torque, for discussion sake) The Porsche GT (mega bucks more) is app 2970#'s.
For example in X country crusing, the Z06 at 90-100 mph has a cruising range of app 450 miles. How many other of its competitors can match that? It can also get app 26 mpg with the AC at freezing (ok, 65 dgrees with the ambient temp at 104) Want more range and better mpg? Go 70-80 mph and you are pushing 30-32 mpg. for 540-576 miles.
So for example when I was doing the reseach (on price only) the BMW M-3 came on the radar. It weighs 3400#'s. So from a performance point of view; what mods at what cost, to get what hp, do I have to do to match the Z06 performance? Or to approach it the other way, what weight does the BMW M-3 need to be, to match the P/W ratio of the Corvette?
Suffice it to say all the options (or most) have some weight penalty.
Jan 25, 2005 (10:02 am)
From the production stats:
2001 16.0 vs. 19.6 = 35.6 45%
2002 16.9 vs. 18.9 = 35.8 47%
2003 17.3 vs. 18.2 = 35.5 49%
2004 12.6 vs. 21.5 = 34.1 37%
The Z06 makes up a big portion of the manuals, about 50% in 02/03 and but less than that in 01/04. But, as noted, history helps prediction on a level playing field, and what we have is a sea change to manual standard vs. extra cost option. With no Z06 in 2005 I doubt it will exceed 50% but it will be interesting to see the results in both '05 and '06. Going back further you would probably see more years that are not as close to 50%.
Jan 25, 2005 (11:44 pm)
I really don't see the point of a 6-speed fully manual trans in a car with that much torque and being driven in the USA. It seems a waste to me. I have a high torque V8 with 5 speed (Porsche) and I don't even use 2nd gear most of the time, or 4th for that matter, unless I'm really on the back roads. Yet another gear, I reallly don't know what I'd do with it.
Jan 26, 2005 (7:03 am)
While I have driven in Canada, the majority of the mileage on the Corvette has been in the USA. In very many ways the Corvette is almost tailor made FOR the USA. On some other web sites, it is of interest to hear of folks with Z06's living in Europe and using the autobahn.
#471 of 917 Great Comments Everyone
Jan 26, 2005 (9:07 am)
As a previous Vette owner I believe that there is a significant advantage to not buying the first year of any GM product. As first year Vettes have had significant problems. I am old enough to remember the 1968 and 1984 models.
GM will surely address some of the refinement issues that we have discussed and make changes for 06 and 07. For those who want to be the first kid on the block I understand but I will wait.
In 06 I would look for GM to make side airbags standard and make many other small improvements, work out the bugs, etc.
At the same time we will probably be able to purchase the Vette below MSRP.
Please GM get rid of the truck steering wheel in the base Vette and replace it with the ZO6 or similar steering wheel.