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#309 of 914 A Late Response by skeezix Aug 17, 2004 (10:37 am)
OK Charts2, maybe misinformation is the wrong word. I was not de-valuing your opinion at all.   The C1 Corvette had several problems as a sports car, but “good performance” was not one of them. The C1 was a decent performer, compared to other sports cars of the day. I have read that information in countless reviews during the last 40 years. Since then, many Corvettes could easily be called “good performers” and some could be called great performers. Saying it took 51 years to get a “good performer” is quite a stretch.   The September 2002 Car and Driver had an article entitled “10,000-HP Shootout” where a bunch of Tuner Cars were tested, then all the tests were summarized in a time line and a winner was chosen. After the tuners were tested, three stock cars were tested the same way. The three stockers were the 911 Turbo, the Z06, and the Viper. The Z06 came in third place in this stocker test. What else did I learn from this test? The Z06 tied with the 911 on the road course, both beating the Viper. There was a 150 to 0 MPH braking test where the 911 stopped in 684 feet, the Z06 in 702 feet, and the Viper in 775 feet, something like that. The point is that the Z06 could compete with these other two cars which both cost a lot more money. I would not describe this third place car as having to play catch up with anyone, especially when one considers its price.   Now, take the C6. With whom is the C6 going to play catch up when it goes on sale real soon? If you exclude any car that costs more than, say, $55000, I wonder what you’d say.
#310 of 914 Another review with a distaff flavor by starrow68 Aug 18, 2004 (7:42 am)
http://www.detnews.com/2004/autosconsumer/0408/18/g01-245671.htm   The only reason I can think that there wasn't whining when they switched seats is that she drove first and he didn't have to relinquish the controls. After seeing my first one, I can note that I didn't notice where the cup holders were.   And added info from the Corvette Museum newsletter today:   Corvette Assembly Plant Ships the First Batch of 6th Generation Corvettes   Today, the Corvette Assembly Plant will ship the first batch of C6 Corvette Coupes to many dealerships throughout the United States. The first “batch” is reported to have approximately 70 Corvettes ready with others to follow soon. "This is an exciting day for the Corvette community and for the Bowling Green Assembly Plant," said Wil Cooksey, plant manager. "Our plant is committed to building the highest quality, most precise and powerful sports cars for our customers." The plant will continue to accelerate to its production build schedule this fall. "This is a memorable day in Corvette history. ...
#311 of 914 by Mr_Shiftright HOST Aug 18, 2004 (9:04 am)
You can see immediately where those Detroit News people are coming from. What they want the new Corvette to be in the future is a (my quotes, not theirs) "GT car", with "civilized amenities" and a "modern" automatic transmission.   I thought the Lexus SC430 was for that type of buyer?   Like it or hate it, the Porsche 911 is still a bit "rough and ready", with that electric wire feel all true sports car should have. I trust the C6-C7-C8s will go that way as well.
#312 of 914 by sphinx99 Aug 18, 2004 (9:21 am)
Keep in mind that Detroit News employees work in Detroit. All a "rough and ready" car gets you in Michigan is a cracked rim a year.
#313 of 914 I hope you're right Shifty, but I know more touring than .. by starrow68 Aug 18, 2004 (10:28 am)
driving it like they stole it. I'm thinking the engineer's are into performance and that will go a long way to keeping it at the edge. Another article from yesterday that I just found.   http://www.bgdailynews.com/articles/stories/public/200408/17/0dZO- _top-feature.html
#314 of 914 And some reviewers just don't seem to get it ... by starrow68 Aug 19, 2004 (11:13 am)
The details that is. References to the 5 sp auto, and spinning the wheels and spinouts without ever mentioning the electronics that keep all that from happening in the current world seem to be based on some pretty old assumptions, as well as poor research.   http://www.lasvegasmercury.com/2004/MERC-Aug-19-Thu-2004/24527491- .html   FWIW
#315 of 914 by Mr_Shiftright HOST Aug 19, 2004 (5:36 pm)
Well an automatic transmission and a sofa-like suspension with gimbled cupholders attached aren't going to save you from the ravages of pot holes. I think the Detroit News is having a hard time believing America can make a real sports car. Or maybe they are getting old and crotchedy about shifting gears in public, I dunno.   YES, a manual transmission is a drag in heavy hot traffic, blah, blah....
#316 of 914 MT seems to question some claims, see end of article by starrow68 Aug 20, 2004 (7:06 pm)
http://motortrend.com/features/news/112_news56/
#317 of 914 by Mr_Shiftright HOST Aug 21, 2004 (8:53 am)
Hmmm...I'd believe GM claims, but the only thing I'd question is whether 1 out of 1000 new Corvette buyers are qualified to drive 186 mph around a track (a bit different than mashing the gas in a straight line). Or maybe 1 out of 10,000 now that I think of it. Ferrari gives you a ultra high speed driving course with a pro as part of your package. Not a bad idea, don't you think? Of course, you're paying a lot more.   I used to advocate that for cars rated over 140mph drivers should be required to have a special license (like for trucks over a certain weight) but I got booed down and had rotten vegetables thrown at me so I rarely bring the subject up anymore.
#318 of 914 Now that's something I'd pay for, or did pay for ... by starrow68 Aug 21, 2004 (9:47 am)
Just between us I wasn't comfortable going very fast until I'd gotten a couple classes and now I know how quick things happen at high speeds which lends itself to leaving larger margins for error. Empty roads are hard to find. As to the 186mph, I'm betting that it is only possible in a straight line, even if some race cars can do more than that on ovals the rest of the setup is not going to get there is my bet. And even my trips to Nevada have had too much traffic and that goes for the back roads as well.    Also note that the only model that does that speed is the 6sp, Z51 coupe. Verts are over 50% of the build when they start shipping, autos are over 50% of the build and Z51 in 2003 was 11% of Coupes for a total less than 1500 cars out of 35k+ produced. BTW, Corvettes are 1/10th% of car production for NA and EU. Not many people get the opportunity to go 120-140 much less 186mph. As to qualified, I think you're still being generous at 1 out of 10k. Many that try maximum speed, whatever that might be, seem to turn it into a 'fatal' mistake.

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