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#289 of 914 Misinformation! by skeezix Aug 13, 2004 (12:50 pm)
Post #284 is spreading misinformation. Chevy might be playing catch up with some of its cars, but not with the Corvette.      The LS2 is a 6.0 liter, not a 6.2 as described.      Chevy has not taken a long time to come up with a 400 hp engine, not compared to other car manufacturers. Maybe Charts2 forgot about the LS6, the 5.7 liter 385 hp engine that came out in 2001, then in 2002, was upgraded to 405 hp. Remember, the LS1, on which the LS6 is based, was new in 1997, so within 5 years, there was a 400 hp engine. Most car companies don't have a 400 hp anything.      Since the 6.1 liter Hemi and the LS7 (the new Z06 engine) are vaporware at this time, it makes little sense to throw words around as to which one is better or more powerful. I've heard that the LS7 will be slightly under 500 hp, but until it's out, one just has to wait.      I think the fact that the C5 can compete and beat many other high performance cars that cost a lot more is a good sign the the Corvette leads the way with a lot of things. I don't see how the improved C6 can be called anything other than a segment leader.
#290 of 914 Misinformation! I think not!! skeeziz ! C6 by charts2 Aug 13, 2004 (2:21 pm)
Correction 6.0....6.2 was a typo...on my part..Cars over 400 hp...Ford: Ford GT 40 whats that 550 hp sure its more money but you asked the question...Dodge Viper 500 525 hp so its a V10 you asked the question its over 400 hp....Mercedes offers a station wagon its 485 hp .I know the horsepower race has to stop somewhere and it will.....The car connection (pretty reliable source) reported today August 13, that Chrysler will be offering this 6.1 litre hemi engine next spring in their 2005 Chrysler 300C... 425 hp/420 fpt..with more to come!.....thats misinformation?..Currently Chrysler can't make enough hemi's...I remember the popularity of their street hemi's from the 60's..I agree the current Corvette is a good performer.. It just took 51 years to get there, prior to the C5 the Corvette was purchased more for nastalgia purposes then its reliability. A sensible person likes about pros and cons of a product, not just all one sided..thats how you learn.. My opinion counts just like yours!! whether you like it or not! skeezix! No misinformation here!!
#291 of 914 Misinformation, maybe not, however ... by starrow68 Aug 13, 2004 (3:49 pm)
The Corvette had over 400 hp in the mid 60's, so saying 51 years is a bit misinformed(?), just a possibility. As to recent Vettes the ZR1 had close to 400hp back in the early 90's and as noted the C5 made it several years ago. Then again, just putting 400hp in anything doesn't make it a performance vehicle, IMO. There are plenty of reviews of how brutal the Viper is to drive hard and long, I would still go back to the view that as a package, performance, who or how many can afford it, and looks and give the C5 fairly top marks. When I can pass most of what goes out to the track in groups that have similar driving experience and then take it for a day long drive with the wife to Yosemite and she notes how comfortable it is, something got done right as far back as '97. If the C6 is as far a step up as some suggest, I'll enjoy getting one for under $50k in a year or so. Enjoy what you drive!
#292 of 914 by Mr_Shiftright HOST Aug 14, 2004 (8:18 am)
I think that in vehicles of this calibre one has to broaden one's view of what "high performance" means exactly. It's not just HP and it's not just 0-60. The entire range of vehicle dynamics at all speeds should be considered, and even fuel efficiency is a label of "high performance" to my mind.   Also to my mind, if I apply a higher standard to the word "high performance", the C6 comes out a lot better than a Viper and a better performer than a GT40, and the M3 is better than it looks just on paper.
#293 of 914 C&D by graphicguy Aug 14, 2004 (8:26 am)
As Shifty pointed out, the C&D article was probably one of the best I've seen on the new C6. The one "blurb" that sticks out for me from the article....nothing that costs within $20,000 more can touch the new Corvette. Very impressive!
#294 of 914 by Mr_Shiftright HOST Aug 14, 2004 (8:33 am)
I think GM is obviously listening to people. The upgraded interior and somewhat better styling (still a problem for me) were shrewd moves I think. I hope the C7 takes the mechanicals and puts it into an entirely new skin in the future however. HP is high enough, I think that should level off. And KILL that skip-shift once and for all, please! That is such an embarrassment to the engineering department, even if you can by-pass it easily. C&D had to take yet another shot at skip-shift, so it's a sore point. Replies to this message: avolvofan (Aug 14, 2004 10:43 am)
#295 of 914 Killing the skip shift, ctd. by avolvofan Aug 14, 2004 (10:43 am)
Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Aug 14, 2004 8:33 am) Shifty, I doubt if you would get anyone to argue that the skip shift improves the driving experience of a manual transmission. The reason it is there (and will probably remain there for as long as a manual transmission is available for the Corvette) is fuel mileage. The skip shift is responsible for about a 2 mpg increase in the EPA City cycle. As far as GM is concerned it has a win-win-win (a win for GM for corporate average fuel economy, a win to be able to offer a manual transmission in the Corvette, and a win for those who want to disable the skip shift, since it is relatively easy to do).
#296 of 914 Shifty by graphicguy Aug 14, 2004 (10:53 am)
It's no secret that the "skip shift" is a by-product of the gas guzzler tax and despised by just about everyone. I wonder if GM has tried to submit one to the testing agencies without the skip shift? The MPG numbers are already fairly impressive given this is a hi-po V8.   The more I read about the C6, the more I think this may be my next car a few years down the road. I'll let the early adopters take the MSRP hit and then I'll take a look.   Still, it would be a totally different drive than my current RX8. I don't know if I could give up the "fun" that the RX8 offers. The allure of all that HP and torque is undeniable, though.   From what I'm reading, the C6 is about $1K LESS than the C5. I'd have to guess that perhaps the '06 or '07 model years might yield some rebates? I qualify for GMO/GMS and would think the C6 price may be a little more pallatble using those GM discounts.   I need some C6 seat and road test time.
#297 of 914 We would all like a ride ... by starrow68 Aug 14, 2004 (11:51 am)
On the skip shift, I've driven it for 3 years and it just isn't an issue IMO, not even worth the effort to disable. On the track, I can assure you it never gets in the way! Ok, many do disable it, but there will always be something to complain about, ever lost the rearend in a Porsche? The Corvette Quarterly review of the C6 now on sale, not on the Net, makes one point that I like, the C6 is the only 400 hp car not facing the gas guzzler tax. Sure if I can afford the car I could pay that too, but why not avoid it through, keep it simple engineering, if that's possible?    I take it you like the M3, Shifty, but having a few rides in the neighbor's, it's just a coupe with a back seat. That's why they got it, need room for a child seat, and for anything beyond the kid that back seat is not very comfortable. It doesn't really have much more head room, well I could go on, but needless to say, I'll take what I've got to the track and every so often get to pass an M3.    Took the 3 day class at Bragg-Smith last year and it's now Spring Mountain Motorsports Park with new 2004 Z06's and the web site says they are going to add C6, Z51's, I think that might be the ticket for some seat time in a C6. Should be a good comparison to get back to back with the last C5 Z06 before they raise the bar again.    One last comment on the C6 pricing. The list is just below the C5 but the options are higher on most stuff so I expect the out the door pricing to be just a little higher when all is said and done. I too am waiting for some discounts.
#298 of 914 by Mr_Shiftright HOST Aug 14, 2004 (5:57 pm)
nah, I don't like the M3 at all actually. I like cars that look like what they do. I'm not very keen on BMWs in general. Porsche is my German car of choice, Mazda my Japanese.

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