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#325 of 433 Re: [ron48164] by aspesisteve Jul 17, 2008 (2:16 pm)
Replying to: ron48164 (Jul 16, 2008 10:40 am) that looks like a great deal, but how are you going to combine "retail customer cash" with employee pricing? Replies to this message: ron48164 (Aug 02, 2008 10:44 am)
#327 of 433 Are you paying too much for that car - probably by carsearch2008 Jul 26, 2008 (9:08 am)
Everything else I've seen written on the topic of what your trade in or a new or used car is worth is just about worthless. What is a car worth? Here are the facts on the resources and car indexes and car guides: 1. Kelly Blue Book: Available in paperback and Online and it's free but completely inaccurate and over priced - Dealers love to show you this value when you buy but not on trade in so much. 2. Edmunds: Easy to use and online access but not very accurate; more for informational purposes. 3. National Auto Research publishes the Black Book (NOT BLUE book) - Extremely accurate and this is what auto dealers use - Online access but it is expensive and primarily used by auto dealers. 4. Manheim Auto Auction publishes MMR (Manheim Market Report) - Online only and you must be a "state registered auto dealer"; VERY ACCURATE. Mention, "MMR price" and watch the dealers expression change and the best price emerge (or the dealer get mad). Notes: I am pretty sure MMR and black book publish new car values also ( in fact im almost positive). Also, most dealers buy the cars at an auction (like Manheim auto auction) (the general public cannot attend the auctions) and mark them up to pay the sales reps commissions. Go direct when possible. Replies to this message: aspesisteve (Jul 26, 2008 1:42 pm) seloo (Aug 02, 2008 1:13 pm)
#328 of 433 Re: [goblue1279] by carsearch2008 Jul 26, 2008 (11:28 am)
Replying to: goblue1279 (Jul 04, 2008 11:28 am) Goblue, the dealer could not produce the volume of advertising, number of admin staff, large lot, etc on the margins you just gave. Also, what about Dealer Hold Back and "Administrative Fees". Hold back is a considerable profit to the dealer. Here is the profit: 1. Ford/manufacturer make the car or truck and SELL it immediately to a distributor. 2. Distributor takes his cut (eg ford of North America) and sells to a dealer. 3. Dealer marks up the price (10-20% of total price) and sells to the buyer. 3. Salesperson takes a cut (varies depending upon dealer). 4. Buyer gets cut. Personally I'd like to see the auto industry "Delled" ( by that I mean go direct - like Dell computer) and just buy a 2008 Ford F150 Crew Cab for $16,000 (the manufacturer would make more profit and the buyer would get a great deal) and let manufacturer franchise the repair shops, parts and options. Ford needs to do something creative and We All Know that their current supply chain is not competitive.
#329 of 433 Re: Are you paying too much for that car - probably [carsearch2008] by aspesisteve Jul 26, 2008 (1:42 pm)
Replying to: carsearch2008 (Jul 26, 2008 9:08 am) I think KBB uses MSRP as the basis for depreciating a used vehicle. Of course most people know that MSRP, especially with domestics is a joke. It's gotten to be like jewlery stores putting up 'Sale' signs - no one pays "retail" for furniture, jewlery, hotel rooms or cars these days unless it's something in tight supply.   I agree with your assessment that car dealers should streamline the buying process and cut out some of the selling layers that really add little value. At least let people have to option to avoid the sales pitch.
#330 of 433 KING RANCH PRICE by kgabe Jul 28, 2008 (12:06 pm)
A new 08' King Ranch: Sticker $43,895. Asking $31, 700. Any input? Replies to this message: carsearch2008 (Jul 28, 2008 3:02 pm)
#331 of 433 Re: KING RANCH PRICE [kgabe] by carsearch2008 Jul 28, 2008 (3:02 pm)
Replying to: kgabe (Jul 28, 2008 12:06 pm) Austin Texas - Maxwell Ford - a 2008 F150, 4x4 Super Crew (4 full size doors) NEW. Quoted at list of $38K and a sale price of $26,000 minus a few additional incentives that total, my guess, an additional $2000 off for a total purchase price of (guessing) $24,000. However this is not the out the door price.
#332 of 433 by kgabe Jul 29, 2008 (10:52 am)
WOW, that's one helluva price if one can actually buy it for that.
#333 of 433 STX 4x4 Deal in Denver 8/1/08 by ron48164 Aug 02, 2008 (10:44 am)
Replying to: aspesisteve (Jul 17, 2008 2:16 pm) I got this deal on a STX 4x4, in Denver on 8/1:   2008 F150 4X4 SS S/C 4.6L EFI V8 ENGINE ELECTRONIC 4-SPD AUTO O/D REAR DEFROSTER & SHIFT ON THE FLY MSRP $31,480 STX Discount Package $2,000 Employee Price-$26,125 Retail Customer Cash-$2,000 Ford Credit Bonus Cash-$1,000 Owner Loyalty-$3000 Your Price $20,125   I did this with a real Z-plan. The employee pricing for everyone would have worked, but I used a z-plan to save $500 (document fee all dealers are charging here).   The buyout on my 2006 F150 lease was 22,400. I would have kept it if Ford was willing to accept a reasonable price in this market, but they would rather take a loss.
#334 of 433 Re: Are you paying too much for that car - probably [carsearch2008] by seloo Aug 02, 2008 (1:13 pm)
Replying to: carsearch2008 (Jul 26, 2008 9:08 am) Carsearch2008,   Do you have access to MMR?   I am looking for the current used car price for the Taurus X (SEL & EB trims) 10-15K miles.   Thanks

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