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Replying to: tommyboy6 (Mar 28, 2007 1:31 pm) Terry 
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Replying to: tommyboy6 (Mar 28, 2007 1:31 pm) Your Edmunds bio says otherwise. Yesterday's post was your first and this is your second. The Wrangler is the new "gotta have toy" in America thus these dealers are squeezing every buck out of the situation. I'm glad you appreciate the popularity of the Wrangler, but it's not exactly the new kid on the block. It's been around in one form or another since the 1940s. One can't buy direct from the factory. If we could there would be no need for greedy car dealers. Can't argue with that, but the extension of that premise doesn't really sit too well with some of your other arguments. For instance, here would be no incentive for the manufacturer to sell at anything other than MSRP. I don't see any benefit to the consumer by turning a competitive marketplace into a monopoly situation for one supplier. All one has to do is practice general law for a couple of years to conclude the above mentioned. I have, and believe me...... LOL, you're funny! Look, we're not really on topic for this discussion and while I'm quite happy to continue lobbing this stuff back at you, I don't really see that much point to it. I'm pretty sure I'm just making your blood pressure higher than it ought to be, and I can't take your arguments with the seriousness that you seem to think they warrant. Why not start a discussion specifically to cover these issues? I'm not sure quite where the best place would be but I'm sure one of the hosts would be happy to help.
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Replying to: mac24 (Mar 28, 2007 6:56 pm)
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Replying to: tommyboy6 (Mar 29, 2007 6:21 am) I just did, and you can do the same, by mousing over your screen name. It currently shows you having a total of three posts with this being the third. These bio pop-ups are a new feature and have gained a reputation for being annoying rather than inaccurate, but I suppose it's possible. As for being correct all the time, far from it  . However, I do disagree with you on many of the points you've made, and where I've disagreed with you I've tried to explain why. For instance, if you remove any competition for selling a product by reducing the availability to be direct from the manufacturer only, I see no reason why the manufacturer wouldn't sell at the maximum price possible. Automobile manufacturers in particular are not known for their altruism. I know that this isn't your view, as you've implied that we'd be better off buying directly from the factory rather than from 'greedy' car dealers. I just don't understand why you think this would be so, because you've haven't given any explanation. |
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Replying to: tommyboy6 (Mar 28, 2007 1:31 pm) First, we are off topic and.. I check these boards to simply familarize myself with the marketplace and.. to see what my competition is doing. With that said.. i do take it personal when moronic comments are made.. such as If we could there would be no need for greedy car dealers. Look at the Jeep Lineup and.. educate yourself before you make such statements. First.. the Liberty as overdue for a facelift and... therefore.. in the last 12 - 18 months.. it has become a loser. Most Liberties sold are either at $0 profit, or a slight loser. The Commander and Grand Cherokee are on the fence.. depending on the incentive and.. number of days in inventory. Typically.. a dealer can lose alot of money on a $45,000 Commander if he has it on his floor plan for over 90 days. The Compass and the Patriot are brand new, and.. the profit margin on each is very small, if not insignificant. That brings me to the wrangler. If in fact the dealer knows this is a profit generator... possibly $2,000 - $4,000 per Wrangler sold... he has an obligation to his buisness to generate as much profit as possible to simply recoup any money lost on other models sold. Which, in turn brings me to my second point. If the average profit on a 2007 Wrangler is $3,000... and it is a middle of the road Wrangler ($25,000).. the dealer is only making 12% on his upfront investment. This does not include any possible advertising costs, interest paid on his existing floor plan, etc. I would urge you to educate yourself on the profit margin of typical items sold at target, Walmart, Home Depot, etc and you will find the margins are much higher, sometimes exceding 200% or 300%. But.. because this is the vehcile you want.. you again think the dealer has an obligation to sell it to you at YOUR price. wrong. He has an obligation to sell it at the most profit he can, simple as that. Obviously you have a sore tooth regarding dealers and.. you think they are all money hungry vultures waiting to wipe out your savings account. Although some dealers may operate this way, most dealers do not. They are more interested in earning your business, building a relationship with you and your family, and selling you 20 cars not just 1. However... by your statements, you either have not purchased many vehicles in your lifetime, because your obvious lack of experience, or... you are simply the A Typical customer who goes from delerhsip to dealerhsip getting thrown out by every salesman he meets because you offend them or.. think you are entitled to insult them for your own self gratification. Now to get back on topic... I will let you know.. that this whole supply and demand issue will not get any better in the near future. Chrysler is poised to buildout the 2007 model year because of the backlogged sold orders already placed. So... if you are thinking of getting one.. and want one this year.. you best act quick or you will be waiting until fall. 
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Replying to: sathomps10 (Mar 27, 2007 1:52 pm) 
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Replying to: sathomps10 (Mar 29, 2007 11:29 am) (giantsin06, I could easily suggest that you use grammar check as well, but we're talking about vehicles rather than spelling/grammar/syntax)
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Replying to: kirstie_h (Apr 05, 2007 8:37 am)
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Bought my 2007 Wrangler Unlimited X, 4X4, soft-top in Graystone Pearl yesterday at Foster Jeep in Middlebury, VT. It was almost exactly what I wanted ... no sirius radio, but that's ok. Also, it did come with the smokers package - which is a joke of a $30 plastic cup and lighter. I got a good deal on my trade and paid between invoice and sticker - since I really wanted the car now I didn't mind paying a little bit more than I originally intended, or hoped for. Foster Jeep was really easy to work with and more than fair in getting this deal done.
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