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#567 of 578 Re: First drive report 2013 Sorento EX V6 AWD [ennui101]
Dec 31, 2012 (10:57 pm)
It's important to understand exactly what you get with the Sorento (or alternative) "AWD." From the "Owner's Manual" ...
"4WD Auto (4WD LOCK is deactivated) ... Vehicle operates similar to conventional 2WD under normal operating conditions. However, if the system determines that there is a need for 4WD mode, the engine's driving power is distributed to all four wheels automatically without driver intervention."
"4WD LOCK ... This mode automatically begins to deactivate at speeds above 19 mph and is shifted to 4WD AUTO mode at speed above 25 mph."
So ... "locking center differential" is a bit of a misnomer, since (according to this description) the center differential is fully "locked" only below 20 mph.
In any case, when the center differential is not locked, if any one wheel is slipping, all the power would normally be sent to the slipping wheel, and you would be stuck. However, according to Kia, "The advanced Traction Control System (TCS) can sense wheel spin during acceleration. When it does, it uses a combination of engine power and brake force to transfer power to the wheels that have the most traction, providing both increased control and enhanced responsiveness."
Now, when the center differential is actually locked, power is always sent to both front and rear axles. Thus, even without TCS, if either axle has both wheels getting traction, then those wheels can pull/push the vehicle even though the other axle has one or both wheels spinning (and therefore isn't providing any push or pull).
ennui101's comment wasn't quite accurate. Leaving TCS aside, with the center differential locked, if at least one wheel on each axle is slipping, you're still stuck. TCS attempts to mitigate this problem by applying braking force to each slipping wheel so some power still gets transferred to a wheel with traction.
How well the combination of "locking center differential" and TCS will all work in practice can only be determined by experience. However, the ability to lock the center differential when you're trying to get going on snow or ice (or mud) does provide an advantage over a center differential that can't be locked.
Here is a technical Comparsion of AWD and 4WD systems
#568 of 578 Re: New Kia Update [flatontop]
Jan 03, 2013 (9:43 am)
Tic-Toc, Tic-Toc 4 more nights before I wake up to my new Sorento, I feel like a little kid waiting for Santa Clause & waiting is proving out to be very lucrative. It gets confusing when they offer so many styles and options.
On the stiff seating issue I have, the limited Pac comes with different seats that are harder, wider & air cooled. I took a ride in the EX with option pack2 and the seats are comfortable enough. Also the UVO display was quite a bit smaller. But as long as it's Bluetooth capable I'm ok with it. I'll post the outcome Monday.
Happy New Year!
#569 of 578 Why are people Trading in their Kias?
Jan 03, 2013 (7:55 pm)
Carmax has 339 Kias for sale! They also have a ton of Kias with 7-9k miles!
Q) Why are so many people trading in low mileage Kias?
#570 of 578 Re: Why are people Trading in their Kias? [n3tto]
Jan 05, 2013 (2:28 am)
I think you mean Sorentos, not Kias. Today they had 288 Sorentos for sale from 2011-2013 across the country. Or maybe you are not setting the search parameters correctly. Of the 288 Sorentos for sale today, 217 were LX models, or the base model. If you look at the prior use most say rental, or fleet, so they are fleet turn ins. About 40 or so models were the EX model, the middle trim model, many also said fleet, or loaner. About 30 were top of the line SX model.
Very few 2013's, mostly 2011 & 2012. 2011 was the start of this restyled model. What impressed me was the great resale value that Carmax assigns to the cars, which is not negotiable. Most 2012 SX AWD's with 8-20K miles on them were priced only $3-4K less than what I paid new for my 2013.
#571 of 578 Re: Why are people Trading in their Kias? [side_show_tom]
Jan 05, 2013 (10:41 am)
As of today Carmax had 202 2012-2013 Sorentos for sale!
As for price Carmax tends to be a bit higher than other dealers because they have a fixed price and stand behind their guarantee.
The comment posted by "Steve" makes sense. There's a new model about to hit the market and the dealers are selling off their inventory as possibly as "fleet".
I think I'll hold off until closer to April to see how they are pricing the Sorento with the new model about to be released. We should see Carmax drop their prices as well!
#572 of 578 Re: Why are people Trading in their Kias? [n3tto]
by kyfdx HOST
Jan 05, 2013 (11:33 am)
does Car max have any new KIA dealerships? Could that be factored into that number?
#573 of 578 Re: New Kia Update [flatontop]
Jan 08, 2013 (5:20 am)
I did it! Purchased my new 2013 Sorento EX V6 with option pack 2. Was able to use Costco, rebates/incentives & auto show cash back of $3885 below invoice totaled $26,141 + tax & lic.. What a freaking hassle dealing with the dealership, 4 hrs to pay cash for a car. I took it on a 300 mile cruise last night, might not be the smartest idea Iíve had driving through Los Angles during rush hour. What a nice ride & very happy with all the options, glad I dropped the extra $$$ for option Pack 2. Crazy crazy power in the V6 & it looks like Iím getting well over 20mpg.
#574 of 578 Re: New Kia Update [flatontop]
Jan 08, 2013 (12:59 pm)
That's a great deal Flatontop. Did you get the AWD model? What is the breakdown of the rebates/incentives? I got a V6 AWD EX, no packages and was only able to get $2750 in rebates. Cerainly a lot of bang for the buck with all of the cool features.
BTW, I don't think 4 hours in the delaership is very long for the car buying process.
#575 of 578 Re: New Kia Update [grefor]
Jan 08, 2013 (4:25 pm)
When I asked dealer about AWD the blood ran out of my wife's face, I thought she was going to pass out for fear of the future to come with me behind the wheel of an AWD vehicle. I settled with the FWD EX V6 option pac2.
I received $605 discount off invoice through Costco +$1,500 Kia cash back + $1,250 competitive rebate and the Auto show was in town so they offered another $500 off, for a total of $3,855 under invoice.
The sunroof is nice but the car is still a great setup without the option package. I'll never use the 3rd row seating and more than likely never even use the second row. It all came down to my wife wanted the sunroof so what ever she wants I suffer. I thought the heated seats were a usless feature but they sure feel nice on the lower back when set on low, now they need to put in a lumbar back massaging feature. i set up my phone with the Bluetooth... it's great. Now I'm all paranoid about the crazy drivers around me wrecking my new car.
#576 of 578 2014 Kia Sorento EX V6 SUV Prices
Mar 28, 2013 (5:17 pm)
Anybody have any idea what to pay for a 2014 Sorrento that is listed at $37,775? They should be motivated as it is the end of the month. I'm trying to decide between 2013 Santa Fe Sport Turbo AWD that the dealer has for $32,445 ($3,715 off MSRP) and whatever I should pay for the Sorrento.
I want the Sorrento, but I also don't want to spend much more (if any) than the Santa Fe. Any advice?