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#541 of 578 2013 Sorento EX V6 AWD $28,452
Dec 20, 2012 (3:11 pm)
Now don't be too quick to jumpo on me for leaving money on the table
First, the take-away and then the background story.
Today we purchased a 2013 Sorento EX V6 AWD with NO packages and including the following accessories: cross bars, cargo cover, cargo mat, cargo organizer and mirror w/ compass & HomeLink.
Total invoce: 29,555 (Edmunds)
Incentive: $1,500 Cash Back
Total, cash-delivered price (no financing, no trade-in, all fees except OR registration, title and plates) for $28,452 from Wasatch Front Kia of Ogden, Utah.
We will also have to pay for transporting it from Ogden to Eugene where we live.
I used the "Fax" approach (now updated to e-mail, of course) to submit written purchase offers with authorization for charging my credit card with a $1,000 deposit upon acceptance within a 48 hour window. I offerred what I thought was a reasonable price, comparable to about $27,250 for the unit we bought (adjusting for which accessories were installed). Every response I got back hit right at the price-point we paid. Not one dealer would budge when I responded that $28,500 wouldn't work for us. Even after waiting a week, none of them followed up.
There are only a very few "plain" EX V6 AWD in the remaining inventory, so that limited our options and reduced competition. It may have also been the case that dealers weren't as worried about getting rid of an EX V6 AWD at $28,500 as they were the same vehicles at $35K+ (i.e., the ones with premium and/or limited packages).
Now, we probably could have done proportionately better, in terms off percentage of MSRP, by looking at units with one of the packages installed. But we wanted more storage, rather than the third row seats; and none of the other add-ons were really of much value to us. We keep our vehicles for 10-12 years, so at resale, having the packages would mean very little. Thus, it was better financially (for our interests) to get a "worse" deal on a plain EX and still pay less than a "better" deal on an EX with package(s).
I should also mention that I'm very skeptical of the 2014s with the GDI V6 and electronic steering. When it got down to there being only two plain EX's we were interested in showing up in the western states inventory, I decided it was time to move, rather than wait and risk having to pay more for a vehicle with less storage. (FWIW, I checked inventory through both kia.com and by slogging through dozens of individual dealers' websites.)
Now, I will also have to say both my wife (this is her car) and I are very happy. It's a beautiful car (Cherry Red with Beige leather), this model test drove great, and we still paid $4,000 to $5,000 less than the Nissan Murano V6 AWD we were looking at.
Now I just have to figure out how to get it under the tree!
#542 of 578 Re: 2013 Sorento EX V6 AWD $28,452 [picante]
Dec 20, 2012 (4:27 pm)
IF that price includes tax that equates to $26,842 if the tax is 6% and I think that's a very good deal. I would be eligible for another $1250 which would make $25,592 for the same vehicle. Does that include tax?
Also, everybody has limits to how much work and time they want to spend to get a vehicle. Some people feel they must get the best deal ever and will haggle for months. Others like yourself want a vehicle at a fair price and don't want to negotiate. It's your money, time, etc. What's important is that you are happy with your purchase. Enjoy your nice ride.
Is the $1250 competitive bonus only for 6 cylinder models?
#543 of 578 Re: 2013 Sorento EX V6 AWD $28,452 [grefor]
Dec 20, 2012 (4:29 pm)
The price did not include tax because ... (tah! tah!) Oregon has no sales tax (even on car sales)!
BTW, I love to negotiate when it's over significant amounts. (My wife looks askance sometimes. ) But in this case, I think I had found the "real" price for this kind of unit, in the region I could manage, and as of today. To do much better meant waiting an indeterminate amount of time; and, with only two satisfactory units that I knew of being available, I felt it was time to buy.
#544 of 578 Re: 2013 Sorento EX V6 AWD $28,452 [picante]
Dec 20, 2012 (5:04 pm)
Congrats on your purchase. We have had ours for 2 months and wife absolutely loves it. Being retired I had a lot more time to shop and negotiate and was in no rush to buy. We bought the same color combination that you did and had a real tough time in finding that combo Ex with the premium package. Fortunately I had time on my side and about a month after I bought car we got it. Dealer had to find one that was being shipped elsewhere and was still on assembly line.
#545 of 578 Re: 2013 Sorento EX V6 AWD $28,452 [picante]
Dec 20, 2012 (5:31 pm)
In Calif for the purchase of EX V6 premium package $26,970 the State extracts $2,977 for the privilege of living amongst the never working and non productive leaches that flood this state.
Hereís a list of taxes & fees
Ca sales tax
Ca. Highway Patrol fee
Ca License fee
CAS freeway emergencies fee
Fingerprint ID fee
DUI crime deterrence fee
Auto theft fee
Abandoned vehicle fee
Air quality fee
Alt fuel fee
Reflector license fee
Ben Dover N Spreedum fee
AND these SOBís even charge taxes & feeís on the incentives!!!!
I'm about to pop a cork!
Dec 21, 2012 (6:52 am)
What are the bad thing said about the 4 cylinder?
#547 of 578 Re: 4 cylinder [lisa130]
Dec 21, 2012 (8:32 am)
Basically the lack of power and strain on a 4cyl in an SUV. When we drove the 4cyl vs the 6 Cyl you could feel a significant difference in just pulling out of the dealership. If you are going to just do local driving then maybe you can get away with the 4 but there is no comparison on the highway and when you need to accelerate. To me its well worth the extra investment to get the 6 but they do sell many 4's probably because of the additional cost and small difference in gas mileage ..To me there is no comparison
#548 of 578 Re: 4 cylinder [lisa130]
Dec 21, 2012 (11:12 am)
edl2 is correct about the strain on the engene. In 2003 I purchase 2 new nissans a 4cyl for my wife and a v6 for myself, well the 4cyl fizzled out after 110,000 miles and my v6 is still running strong after 255,000 miles, it doesn't burn a drop of oil and gets 20 mpg. There's no compairson, the 4cyl is way under powered for this size of vehicel even with the upgraded DGI.
#549 of 578 Re: 4 cylinder [lisa130]
Dec 21, 2012 (4:14 pm)
Here is a long and interesting discourse on GDI (Gasoline Direct Injection) engines:
GDI Problems In A Nutshell
Here's some basic info:
Wikipedia -- Gasoline direct injection
The "takeaway" for me is that until a particular manufacturer has a proven track record with their GDI engine(s), they are a potential risk in terms of problems after 50K or so miles (your mileage may vary).
I don't know about Kia's 4-cylinders, but as I mentioned earlier, we didn't want to buy the first Sorento model year (i.e., the 2014's) with a GDI V6 engine.
If you distill it out, the potential benefit of GDI engines is slightly more power and potentially significantlly lower emissions. GDI and the several variations appear to exploit more sophisticated techniques but with accompanying complexity and narrower tolerances. My personal choice is to avoid new complexities (OK once they're proven and stable) and seek greater tolerance.
#550 of 578 Re: quotes [flatontop]
Dec 21, 2012 (7:28 pm)
What a day! 2 Costco dealers and one 1 truecar dealer. First off Truecar, I talked to the sales manager and the $1000 savings was... you guessed it wrong, I only qualified for an additional $500 but that expired 12-17-12 so now Costco and Truecar price are the same to the penny. The 2 Costco dealers were about $55 different. Best price $26,970 EX V6 Premium package plus Calif state fees.
The price includes everything destination fees, dealer fees except what the cockroaches incharge of this state milk you for when buying a new car.
Flatontop, did this offer actually pan out? If so, what incentives did it include?