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NJ area by jeffrey12341
Nov 07, 2009 (1:19 am)
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hey, bilseg i live around the nyc area and i just want to know when u mean invoice plus set fee u mean u pated the out the door price of invoice+1,500? or do you have to add tav title and registration and anything else? I really wanna buy a mini cooper.
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Re: Looking for Mini Convertible in NY area [longmanzz] by bilseg47
Nov 07, 2009 (7:14 am)
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Replying to: longmanzz (Nov 06, 2009 11:15 am)

No.... you're reading me wrong. IF you are in negotiations for a 2009, it's because it's ON THE DEALERS LOT. That means that the dealer accepted it into inventory, and has costs associated with doing same (lot fees, taxes, insurance, etc). They have an investment in the vehicle. MSRP offsets those costs and builds in a profit margin.
So Invoice + flat fee is an unrealistic request on a "lot" car... but it makes sense on a factory order because the dealer incurs little cost and the fee is pretty much his profit. Depending on the volume of MINIs he sells per month and/or the time of the month when you order, they can gauge whether the deal works for them. "flat-fee" levels the playing field for the buyer. Example: Two buyers want to do a factory order. Buyer (a) wants a "basic" MINI with no add-ons and Buyer (b) wants a "fully loaded" MINI... from the dealers perspective it doesn't cost them any more to order/deliver either one so the "fee" to do so should be the same. And lastly, FIND A DEALER THAT WILL WORK WITH YOU. Not all dealers are the same. Shop around. Expand your search out a few hundred miles... if you're doing a factory order most of it can be done via email any way!
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Re: NJ area [jeffrey12341] by bilseg47
Nov 07, 2009 (7:22 am)
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Replying to: jeffrey12341 (Nov 07, 2009 1:19 am)

Invoice + fee is for the vehicle only.... Once you've agreed to that your dealer can then calculate tax, license, and registration fees and give you a detailed, firm "out-the-door" price.
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Re: NJ area [bilseg47] by jeffrey12341
Nov 08, 2009 (2:14 am)
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Replying to: bilseg47 (Nov 07, 2009 7:22 am)

ok bilseg47.Thanks for really helpimg me out, i appreciate it. So pretty much you got the cr for 1,500 over invoice before tax title and reg. and i should be expecting the same? What city did u buy it in? i live in the same nyc area and i know theres a few dealers in our ara. Dawm my keyboard sucks,
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Re: NJ area [jeffrey12341] by bilseg47
Nov 08, 2009 (8:38 am)
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Replying to: jeffrey12341 (Nov 08, 2009 2:14 am)

Expect nothing grasshopper... Negotiate. And if you are making contact with dealers via email, send your email to the Sales Manager... THAT is the person that ultimately will make the deal! Proposing your deal to any sales staff below the mgr. is a waste of time.
I live in SoCal (82° today *grin*)... My dealer would probably do the deal, but that don't help you much unless you have some time... I mean, if you're gonna save $1,500 or more, the plane ticket and vacation trip driving back home would be "paid for". Or check down south... same thing only closer to you.
I just read on the net that October was a bad sales month for MINI in the USA... maybe your local dealers will be more receptive to dealing with you in the latter part of the month when they have a better handle on their projected monthly sales...
Your job now is to keep this dialog going... keep us posted on what you do and what you experience on your trek toward MINIdom... so as to educate those that follow.
I leave you with this observation... "He who can not afford a new $15 keyboard should perhaps pause and reflect before buying a new car." hahahahahahaha
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Re: Looking for Mini Convertible in NY area [bilseg47] by Car_man HOST
Nov 15, 2009 (6:05 pm)
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Replying to: bilseg47 (Nov 07, 2009 7:14 am)

Hi bilseg47. While the situation that you described sounds good in theory, in reality exactly the opposite is true. Dealers are almost always much more anxious to sell vehicles that they have in inventory and are willing to cut thinner deals on them than on ordered vehicles. The sooner a dealer sells a vehicle that they have on the lot, the sooner they can stop paying floorplan interest on it.
 
Plus as the old saying goes, a bird in hand is worth two in the bush. Dealers would much rather send a consumer off in a vehicle that they have ASAP than wait for an ordered vehicle to come in and possibly watch the deal fall apart.
 
Lastly, the longer a vehicle sits on the lot, the less desirable it is. Mini dealers will be very anxious to unload any remaining 2009 models that they have now that the 2010 models have started to arrive. The longer it takes them to unload their leftover inventory, the less desirable it is to consumers and the larger the hit they will have to take to get rid of it.
 
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Re: Looking for Mini Convertible in NY area [Car_man] by bilseg47
Nov 15, 2009 (9:06 pm)
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Replying to: Car_man (Nov 15, 2009 6:05 pm)

Yo Host....
 
The basic thrust of my initial comments are from my very recent, personal experiences in doing a "factory order". Having gone to, or contacted a number of dealers within a wide radius over the past few months, I am convinced that there is no way I could walk on to any MINI lot tomorrow and get a 2010, equipped the way mine is for the price (below MSRP) that I will have paid. (it should be here in a bit over two weeks)
I certainly agree that dealers should be more receptive to deal on 2009s the later we get into 2010 season, everything you say is true, but that goes for any "year old" model product be it a car, a computer or a washing machine, but I will still counsel anyone to shop around. I talked to MINI dealers during my search that, because they were the only dealer in the area, tended to fall into the mindset that they controlled the product and if you wanted it you had to deal with them. I was actually told by a sales person while looking at window sticker that they were charging a premium over MSRP because of demand, and that was just the way it was... I have their card posted on my bulletin board as a constant reminder. B-)
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Re: Looking for Mini Convertible in NY area [bilseg47] by jeffrey12341
Nov 18, 2009 (5:11 am)
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Replying to: bilseg47 (Nov 15, 2009 9:06 pm)

hey bilseg, member me? i tried to get a mini and basyards wouldnt work with me. They said because only 45,000 cars are sold a rear and there rare they really dont have to work with me that. Ill try looking for a 2009 and go according to car man then
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Let's use our aggregate buying power by jvst1ce
Nov 18, 2009 (8:30 pm)
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I spent the last month reading this forum, trolling craigslist and ebay. I have visited 2 dealers (the last was today for 2 hours) and had a very nice and patient sales rep who gave me his "final offer". Of course, I was able to walk away unemotionally and say I'd think about it.
 
If there are a few people in the NY area that are looking to buy, perhaps we can all save a few hundred or maybe a grand each if we all go in together to buy.
 
The best dealer out of the 6 or so places will get 2, 3, 4, or 5 car sales in one fell swoop - if they give us aggressive pricing.
 
Anyone in? I'm looking to pull the trigger in the next few days - week at the latest.
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Re: Looking for Mini Convertible in NY area [exit56] by jvst1ce
Nov 18, 2009 (8:37 pm)
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Replying to: exit56 (Oct 28, 2009 3:15 am)

I'm looking to get one for my wife's 40th too - a few days after Thanksgiving! How are you celebrating? Funny!

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