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Subaru Outback, Wagon, SUV
#3255 of 3459 Re: Brilliant brown pearl [superdue]
Nov 18, 2012 (8:02 am)
I'm in the Dallas/Ft Worth area. Obviously we don't have the volume of Subaru's that you have in the Northwest. I used to live in the Western North Carolina mountains and there were lots there, too. The big question for me - is it different enough from black to look unique?
#3256 of 3459 Re: Hope I got a good price [ksdjwd]
Nov 20, 2012 (8:35 am)
I'm not sure what the puddle lights, wheel arch moldings, hitch and bike rack go for but it sounds pretty good to me. We paid $29,200 for ours, which except for those items was the same as yours.
Our negotiation took two emails and done.
So, I'd say you did pretty well. Congratulations.
#3257 of 3459 Re: Brilliant brown pearl [cmuniz]
Nov 20, 2012 (8:41 am)
We were very interested in new brown too, until we saw one in a row with a black and grey in a nearby dealer. We liked the seats and the power seat preset buttons but looking at the saddle leather color against all the black on the dashboard and door panels turned us off.
At that same dealership we saw the new Blue color and decided on it instead of white. We bought the Blue color instead and our local dealer ordered it from a Denver dealership. It was the first one that the sales force at our local dealership had seen and they decided then to order another one in Limited and one in Premium trim to have on the lot.
Naturally since we bought ours (early September) I've seen several more in our little (55,000) town.
#3258 of 3459 Is this a good deal ?
Nov 22, 2012 (11:20 am)
Hello all.....great comments and advice.
I have a deposit on a 2013 Subaru 3.6R Limited with Special Appearance Package and few other floor maps and cargo nets. The vehicle is a demonstrator driven by the sales manager. It has 2600 miles on it, never titled, will have first oil change, detailed, etc. The list is $36,948 and the deal is $32,500 plus taxes, etc. The dealer is located in Maryland.
I feel that is a fair price but would appreciate any comments.
#3259 of 3459 Vermont 2.5i Premium pzev advice
Nov 23, 2012 (4:48 pm)
I thought I had done adequate research when going to the dealer today to try to get some #s but clearly I had not. Using truecar via my (or my wife's) employer, it showed an MSRP around 28200 after "regional fees" of $300 . .destination + all weather + pkg 1B (all weather mats, bumper protector, mud guards, homelink mirror) . It matches edmunds but they don't show this $300 regional adder. Truecar shows their Estimated price of 25800 (from some dealer 150 miles away ) . The dealer showed me a # like that but then showed their $536 holdback and $536 advertising fee. In the end... best price to me after the sales manager dance was $536 over what I thought was real invoice.. This is 7% off msrp.
Before I went, I had exercised the "costco deal" thru a dealer about 100 miles away ( only local participating one) and I thought I was getting $425 under invoice from him but the invoice price he quoted me is about $500 over what I was expecting so their bottom lines come out pretty much the same.
So I conclude that I can't assume the edmunds invoice prices are the #s the dealers care to use when talking x under invoice. They want to tack on their holdback and advertising and then take something off of that.
I admit I have not bought a car in 15 years (others just keep going and going).
I see deals people are getting here 10-15% under invoice (which invoice # to trust I don't know) . Many of those appear to be Limiteds so perhaps they deal more there.. Not sure.. My wife refuses to go leather so I'm sunk there. It seems I am way off in my thinking of what kind of good deal I could get.
I was expecting for this 2.5i Premium All Weather with a few accessories.. I would be in the low 25s . Right now I'm at 26256 .. or 27398 if I go for the moonroof/backup camera (which I was going to install myself (camera that is ) while upgrading the stereo I hear stinks ) and all weather mats, bumper protector cargo net, puddle lights & mud guards) .. That is 7.6% off of msrp.
We had not gotten to talk about warranties ( i've never taken an extended one before) or anything other than their 1.9% financing.
I could try to get quotes far away but that does seem like a lot of work.. I am asking a relative in PA to see if he can secure something more attractive as a comparison. Not sure if PA would be PZEV as they all are here so I have to be careful about that $300 delta.
Appreciate any advice.
#3260 of 3459 Re: Hope I got a good price [easypar]
Nov 23, 2012 (5:07 pm)
Thanks Easypar. Did you decide to do the Subaru SAS extended warranty? I'm still debating. I don't usually do extended warranties but this is my first Subaru.
#3261 of 3459 email or phone?
Nov 23, 2012 (11:17 pm)
I'm ready to buy the Outback Ltd. I'd like to have it before the end of the month. Some people have mentioned that negotiations by email take some days. Am I better off doing this by phone? internet? Not sure how I should proceed to take advantage of the end of the month days.
#3262 of 3459 Re: Hope I got a good price [ksdjwd]
Nov 24, 2012 (8:06 am)
No, I passed on the extended warranty. When you subtract the factory warranty from the time and miles on the extended one you see that you're not buying very much protection. And you're paying a pretty high price for it. With as reliable as cars are today I consider extended warranties a really bad thing to spend money on.
I spent most of my working life in sales, usually covering very large georgraphical territories. I never owned a new car until I retired. I used to buy mid or full size sedans from people who were upside down on year old cars. I would then run them until they had 200,000-300,000 miles on them. Over the years I saw cars getting progressively better, particularly the drivetrains.
Speaking for myself and a couple of guys that worked for me the only major expenses we had on cars from the mid-1990's onward were; igniters on GM cars at 130K miles (a couple of us), full A/C replace on GM cars (lots of aluminum in the compressor which would disintegrate with heavy use-I think this has been remedied for years), microscopic cracks in intake manifolds on first generation fuel injection on Fords. Other than that we've done the usual replacement of batteries (always replaced at 4 years, regardless of mileage, water pumps and a couple of power steering pumps.
The only other drive train problem we've had was on my wife's '98 Forester, but Subaru has long since remedied that problem.
I'd pass on that warranty and invest instead in what I always considered the best warranty, REGULAR OIL CHANGES. When I was selling I did my oil religiously at 5,000 miles and tranny fluid at 35,000. That meant that there were times that I had two oil changes in one month sometimes.
BTW, our dealer offered and extended "service" package of 12 oil/filter changes for about $280. Since the Outback has synthetic oil now I bought that!
#3263 of 3459 Re: email or phone? [carteach]
Nov 24, 2012 (8:07 am)
I found on both my '10 Legacy and my '13 Outback that emails were answered promptly, usually in a few hours. Anyone who takes days to answer emails isn't serious about business or they think it's still 1996!
#3264 of 3459 Can this be as good as it gets ?
Nov 24, 2012 (8:10 am)
Followup to my (sorry) long post before.. My local dealer won't budge yet from 2.5i pzev premium , moonroof pkg, all weather
$27350 ... with these port installed things: all weather mats, rear bumper protector, cargo net, puddle lights & mud guards ... 7.6% off of msrp but pretty much at edmunds invoice.
I was expecting to be under invoice by say $500 or more.. They claim to be losing $ if we go any lower (they do include free state inspections for life of car.. free loaners for service.. etc .. but still )
1620 1945 Moon/Camera
795 795 deswt
283 438 Stuff