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Subaru Outback, Wagon, SUV
#2901 of 3409 About the price suggestion
Aug 13, 2011 (2:36 pm)
Hi everyone, I talked with a local Subaru dealer (Wisconsin) today and he offered me a price of $26583, so with TTL it's ~$28000 OTD. It's a 2011 Outback 2.5 premium CVT with All-weather package and power moonroof (option package 06). The salesman is a nice guy who is very helpful, but I don't know whether this deal is good enough. If anyone can help me with that, I will be greatly grateful.
#2902 of 3409 Re: 2011 Outback [red927]
Aug 14, 2011 (2:10 pm)
Pine Belt in Brick/Lakewood, NJ. Was probably the most satisfied I've been purchasing any vehicle. Environment was friendly, staff knew what they were talking about.
#2903 of 3409 Cold engine noise
Aug 16, 2011 (3:35 am)
I am considering buying a 2011 Outback 3.6 and test drove the car yesterday. I did notice that the engine noise when idle (on the outside) is noisy, but when inside you don't hear it. Has any of you noticed that ? I have a Honda and do not hear such loud noise when in idle mode.
#2904 of 3409 Re: Cold engine noise [dezideroo]
Aug 16, 2011 (8:40 am)
Boxer engines do have a characteristic growl. Thankfully it's well insulated.
I think if you compare noise at cruising speeds, though, the Honda will seem to have more road noise. I rented an Accord sedan and boy was it loud (I'm used to a Toyota Sienna minivan).
So Honda is the opposite - quieter engine, but not as well insulated.
#2905 of 3409 Re: Cold engine noise [ateixeira]
Aug 16, 2011 (9:20 am)
Also, in addition to the engine configuration, the PZEV vehicles tend to have more engine noise on start-up as a result of their programming. Once they warm up and the engine goes into "open loop," it is much quieter. I don't know exactly why that is, but it sure warms up fast compared to non-PZEV!
#2906 of 3409 Re: Cold engine noise [xwesx]
Aug 16, 2011 (9:30 am)
They probably idle higher to get the catalysts up to operating temps. Makes sense to me.
#2907 of 3409 Outback 3.6R limited...sweet deal...I think
Aug 23, 2011 (7:36 pm)
After much research I purchased a 2011 dark grey Outback 3.6R limited with moon roof/backup camera pkg, all-weather floor mats and splash guards in the Milwaukee, WI area. It was exactly what I wanted with no superfluous or dubious value dealer installed options. The dealer's initial offer was an utterly insulting price of invoice, no promotional financing and a low ball price for my Impreza trade in. I ultimately got it for $500 UNDER Invoice, top dollar for my trade (according to KBB pricing), and best market rate financing of 2.64%/48mo. I was extremely pleased with the deal in the end! If they thought they'd make money on the back end of the deal with me...nope! I declined the paint protector. I declined the leather protector. I declined the extended warranty packages. I even refused the "True Coat" for you Fargo fans out there! Just me and my new Subie!
Pluses: Power/room/seats/comfort/stereo/sight lines (wow a car that you don't feel claustrophobic in!)/ground clearance/continuous AWD as almost everyone else with the exception of Audi offer only on demand or partial AWD. Engine is torquey! It comes on early for snappy around town slugging. Reminds me of an old school V8. Love that boxer engine growl when you open it up! It's relatively quick due to the low curb weight. Most vehicles in this class are 500-1000lbs heavier. overall MPG is 25-26 in 70/30 hwy/city mix, which I find pretty good all things considered. Not commonly advertised is the fact that the 3.6R has the most sophisticated AWD system Subaru offers. Subaru actually offer three systems. viscous coupling 50/50 front/rear torque split for manual, electronic torque management for CVT that is 90/10 front/rear torque split (arguably the "least AWD" of the three systems), and finally the 3.6R system (and Tribecca's) that is 55/45 torque split rear/front for a performance bias. All systems will adjust torque to wheels where/when needed.
Minuses: Handing is average. Not as engaging to drive as my 2009 Impreza was. Load capacity is only a car-like 900lbs! This is not an SUV in load capacity. Towing with the 3.6 is a respectable 3000lbs (if you have trailer brakes) though.
#2908 of 3409 Re: Outback 3.6R limited...sweet deal...I think [mark76]
Aug 24, 2011 (7:53 am)
Congrats. Indeed, it's an AWD system that would make a european luxury sedan prowd.
#2909 of 3409 Re: About the price suggestion [hao_madison]
Aug 24, 2011 (4:14 pm)
Did you buy yet? Based on my experience you could get as low as $500 under invoice. Maybe even better! Be careful to know the value of your trade-in car if you have one. Arm yourself with pricing data from Edmunds, Kelly Blue Book, etc. Know what the best interest rates are. Refuse any of the dealer add-on like paint protectant, glass etching extended warranty, etc. They will try to make you feel "guilty" for not purchasing that stuff. Paint nowadays universally has a clear coat and so with regular waxing there is no need for "paint protectant". Glass etching for theft? Isn't that why we all have auto insurance? Extended warranty? For a Subaru? They are among the most reliable cars on the road. Good luck!
#2910 of 3409 Re: About the price suggestion [mark76]
Aug 24, 2011 (5:13 pm)
Note also that an extended warranty from Subaru can be purchased at any time during the 3/36 warranty period, not just from the purchasing dealer and not just at the time of purchase.