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Subaru Outback, Wagon, SUV
#2397 of 3392 Re: leather in a premium [lightningquick]
Feb 12, 2010 (11:46 am)
I did the same thing on a 2000 outback years ago. (buying a lower model and having leather put in it). The leather turned out to be a much better quality than what Subaru was providing. YMMV.
I would check to see what you would be missing out on by getting the premium versus the limited and decide if you can live without certain features only the limited has. (eg. automatic dual zone climate control, underside cladding......). Money can be saved this way.
#2398 of 3392 Re: leather in a premium [lightningquick]
Feb 12, 2010 (11:55 am)
Ask to see a sample, a lot of aftermarket leather is really nice, so I wouldn't say no.
Limited does adds more than just leather, though, per cars101.com:
everything the 2.5i Premium has, plus..
new Lineartronic CVT automatic transmission with manual mode (6 'gears') and paddle shifters
Leather trimmed interior
Passenger power seat (4way), front/back, power recline
Wood grain interior trim (2.5i and Premium have brushed silver trim)
Climate Control, Single/Dual Front Zone, 6 speed fan, settings Lo - 61, 62 .. 89 - Hi
All Weather Pkg: dual mode heated front seats, defrosting outside mirrors, front windshield wiper deicer with hidden element
Harman-Kardan stereo; 9 speakers, 6 disc CD changer, speed sensing auto volume control, aux input; bluetooth, dual-zone climate control
#2399 of 3392 Re: Legacy Rebate/Incentive question [kingr]
Feb 12, 2010 (9:46 pm)
Consumer report bottom line is :
3.6R Limited AT wagon $30,995 $29,024 $28,789 Build & Price
Im ordering one from the dealer for 29,200.00 before tx & lic, I didnt want sunroof or nav.. Just add mirror home link. so it's
#2400 of 3392 Re: Legacy Rebate/Incentive question [xwesx]
Feb 13, 2010 (6:51 am)
We bought our 2 subarus in March of 07 and March of 09 - in both cases, there were $2000 rebates, combined with the low interest financing (1.9% and 2.9%). But there were large subaru inventories then and rebates were more common in general.
Considering how well these are selling, there doesn't appear to be as much need to offer rebates. But historically, March has been the time of year when subaru rebates started.
#2401 of 3392 Re: Legacy Rebate/Incentive question [morin2]
Feb 13, 2010 (6:54 am)
Subaru also lowered prices, effectively the incentives are built-in to the very competitive prices. Sales figures prove they did it right.
Bonus - residuals are way up, ALG ranks Forester and Outback #1 in their classes.
#2402 of 3392 Re: leather in a premium [msj09]
Feb 13, 2010 (8:54 pm)
The main thing is the dual zone climate control. I've had that in the cars I have owned for the past 6 years. I love the convenience of it. But is it worth the $2k jump to get a limited? I don't know....
#2403 of 3392 What's the deal in California
Feb 14, 2010 (3:13 am)
I hear people around are getting below MSRP. My dealer in Santa Cruz, CA says there is a shortage and I wont get below MSRP for a 2010 2.5i Auto ADB for $25070. Does anyone know a dealer that will sell a california car for less? Is this shortage true for california, or is he just puttin the moves on me?
#2404 of 3392 why I drove 4 hours to buy from Van Bortel
Feb 14, 2010 (9:28 am)
I started looking for a new 2010 Outback Limited for my wife in November 2009. Her getting the Subaru was a compromise. She really wanted a Honda Pilot. Eventually after testing driving the new Outback several times and explaining my opinion that the AWD system in the Subaru was superior to the Honda system she finally gave in. Her only demand was the color: Graphite Gray. ( On a side note, she's driven an outback during the winter on and off in upstate New York for the past five years. She would not even hesitate to tell you that she always felts safe, comfortable and had no problems). I also had a 2001 Legacy GT Limited that was finally done it by a deer.
So I started my search by going to my local subaru dealer in Kingston, New York. My family and I bought several cars from them over the past couple of years. So I expected to be treated right. That's not to say that I don't believe that people are entitled to make a profit: albeit a fair profit. Initially, the price issue was not even a concern, no one in the Hudson Valley had any cars in stock and no one expected any in for quite some time. After spending several weekends driving around and looking I was finally convinced they were right the only thing I could was order the car and wait.
So we went back to my local dealer one Saturday in earlier January and was pleased to be advised that they expected an Outback Limited in Graphite Gray to be coming in off their January allotment in the beginning of February. Previously, we had agreed upon a 2% markup from invoice. He knew, because quite frankly I told him, and I still feel this way, that I wouldn't have a problem paying a couple of hundred extra dollar to purchase the car from him than travel. I was, of course, a loyal customer.
(Turns out the loyalty only ran one way. As I see it, the demand for these cars was so high and availablity so low, that all dealers, including my friendly saleperson in Kingston, New York, had absolutely no problem with demanding a higher than usual profit margin. This experience was absolutely common place in the Hudson Valley.)
Anyway,back to this story: The problem with agreeing to 2% over invoice, isn't the 2%, it agreeing upon the invoice price. Not one dealer in the Hudson Valley agreed with the invoice prices listed on yahoo, edmunds, or truecar. They all pulledwhite invoice sheets to show they were paying substantially more than the invoice price listed on those websites. The difference in invoice was more than a couple of hundred bucks. The invoice price diffence from the dealer in Kingston was about fifteen hundred dollars. A considerable difference.
Now listen to this, the salesperson tells me I can have the car coming from the January allotment, due in earlier February, for $30,724: (Limited w/autodimming mirror, all weather mats, splash guards, remote engine start,rear bumper cover, and trailer hitch), or I could same the car for $30,124 if he ordered it. Bottom line he is wanted a $600 premium, ontop of an already inflated price, for the car that was on his allotment but wasn't even have on his lot. Well I left and no member of my family will never go back to that dealership to buy a car. No way!
Well say good bye to Kingston and say hello to Van Bortel.
Van Bortel is a true no haggle dealership. They post their price on their web page. That's the price: no tricks, no gimmicks, no hassle. The buying experience was simple. I called up told them what I was looking for. They asked if I wanted to order the car. I said go ahead. The confirmed their price was the same as the price advertised on their website. They said approximately 4 weeks for delivery. I told them to go ahead and order it. I e-mailed them once or twice during the period with some questions. They called back the next day without fail. Always polite. Always courteous. Always professional. Three weeks into the process they called and said they expect the car the next week. The next week they called and said its in. They did all the usual paperwork with DMV and my insurance agent. I then drove four hours to pickup the car. Not one problem. Not even a hiccup. The price was the price. Dan Fisher and Jeremy at Van Bortel were great. Dan then spent probably close to an hour go over the features with my Wife. This was the simplest and best car buying experience ever. It was worth the trip.
#2405 of 3392 Re: What's the deal in California [williams2150]
Feb 14, 2010 (10:25 am)
You may want to check with Jenson Subaru in Napa. I know it's a long drive from SC but we just ordered a '10 Outback (3.6 Prem) at invoice. Some of the other dealers in the Bay area were telling me the same thing you heard. It is a 8-10 week wait for the car, but that is no reason to charge you more. They are still making about $1k in dealer holdback at invoice.
#2406 of 3392 Re: What's the deal in California [williams2150]
Feb 14, 2010 (10:41 am)
There are several dealers in the bay area and almost all will go below MSRP for instock vehicles. (invoice for ordered ones). Try Livermore or Putnam for some of the better deals.