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#177 of 1634 Re: [ateixeira] by kelbo Aug 04, 2004 (9:42 am)
Replying to: ateixeira (Aug 04, 2004 8:12 am) Thanks Juice, My apologies, I neglected to include the details. Mine is the standard (2.5L)2004 Wagon with the all weather package and Automatic transmission for $19,700 with 5.2% financing. (In the Philadelphia, PA area). This seemed pretty good to me after some comparison shopping for the both the vehicle and rates. Joe
#178 of 1634 by ateixeira Aug 04, 2004 (10:02 am)
Auto and under $20k? That would have been unheard of even 6 months ago.   -juice
#179 of 1634 Who should pay the $275 "WER AD Group" fee? by rprutah Aug 05, 2004 (6:23 pm)
I am getting real close to purchasing a 2005 Outback 2.5 XT Wagon (Turbo 5A) with an invoice price of $26,827. The dealer says I must pay the 2005 mandatory $275 "WER AD Group" advertising fee. Assuming this is a real fee from the factory, I do not think I should pay it. I thought the dealer holdback percentage paid to the dealer from the factory was to compensate the dealer for any advertising costs allocated to each vehicle? Please help me out. Replies to this message: lumbar (Aug 09, 2004 3:28 pm)
#180 of 1634 by rob_m Aug 06, 2004 (4:53 am)
The only 'real' fee from the factory is destination. This is not negotiable. All other tacked on fees (advertising, processing, etc) can be translated to dealer profit, and are negotiable. You have one of two options. One is to walk out. If the dealer wants to move the car, they will negotiate. Or if you really want the car, pay the fee. If you are at true invoice, the fee translates to 1% over invoice. I typically see cars going at either a fixed sum - $500 over invoice, or a percent - 3% over invoice, which translates to $840. Lots of factors to consider - supply, demand, dealer motivation. How much time do you want to spend to save an additional $275 on a 27k car? Good luck! Rob M.
#181 of 1634 Re: 2005 Outback Sedan [kamala95] by kbuff Aug 06, 2004 (10:55 am)
Replying to: kamala95 (Aug 01, 2004 7:30 pm) George,   The main reason why I went with the Outback was because it sits up high. The ground clearance (an important factor in my decision making process) is 8.4 inches. I saw both the Legacy and OB Sedan side-by-side at the dealership, and could see quite a noticeable difference in stature between the two. I also like the solid feel of the H-6. I’m probably in the minority on this topic since most people probably prefer the sportier feel of the turbo H-4, which has the same hp. Some another things I liked about the OB (and it just comes down to personal taste) was the wood grain trim and the leather seats (the Legacy GT Ltd. has metallic trim and perforated leather seats.) The Legacy has more of a sporty feel to it, while the OB feels a tad bit more refined. Anyhow, I don’t think you can go wrong with either one.   kbuff Replies to this message: kamala95 (Aug 09, 2004 12:43 pm)
#182 of 1634 by markjenn Aug 06, 2004 (11:43 am)
The ad fee is legit in that the dealer actually pays it on a per-car basis.   I don't understand the concept of certain fees being negotiable and others not. All that matters is the final price and you can negotiate anything you please. You're certainly down in the area where most dealers are working with pretty narrow margins, so if they won't let the ad fee go, you're at a price level that they can't go lower. They don't have to sell the car and you don't have to buy it.   - Mark
#183 of 1634 by ateixeira Aug 09, 2004 (7:48 am)
All that matters is the final price   I agree with that, and the price including the fee sounds very reasonable for a brand new model, so buy it and don't lose sleep over it.   Even if they didn't charge you that fee, they'd just build the $275 into the cost of the car to begin with. So it's $275 over invoice, i.e. a good price IMO.   -juice
#184 of 1634 Re: 2005 Outback Sedan [kbuff] by kamala95 Aug 09, 2004 (12:43 pm)
Replying to: kbuff (Aug 06, 2004 10:55 am) Thanks. As the time draws closer, I will make a point of testing out the OB 6...   George
#185 of 1634 $275 "Ad" fee by lumbar Aug 09, 2004 (3:28 pm)
Replying to: rprutah (Aug 05, 2004 6:23 pm) It's new this year and is as legitimate as anything else on the invoice. It's my understanding that this is -not- one of those "fees" that is a dealer profit center (e.g., exhorbitant "doc" fees). IMO, the real issue may be with Subaru, which declines to build this into the invoice price (or MSRP) of the car in order keep that number a bit lower, and adds it as a non-negotiable line item.   As near as I can tell from checking prices on fitzmall.com--who I think are pretty straight shooters-- the "invoice price" listed by them includes this $275, so, in a sense, it depends on what one considers invoice. Edmunds "invoice" price does not include it.
#186 of 1634 by ateixeira Aug 10, 2004 (7:03 am)
Bad idea by Subaru, build this into the invoice price. Imagine how many customers are going to complain about this.   -juice

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