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Subaru Legacy, Sedan, Wagon
#862 of 1010 Re: CPO 2010 Limited 4cyl [ateixeira]
Apr 05, 2011 (5:57 am)
I know the Optima has shared mechanicals with the Sonata, but I haven't driven the Kia. From what I've seen, the Optima interior certainly looks cheaper than the Sonata's. I have driven the 2011 Legacy and have had several drives in the Sonata, both base trim (several days in a rental) and Limited. I'm a Subaru loyalist, but frankly, if you don't need the all-wheel-drive, the Sonata is the better car. It has more power, gets better mileage and has more amenities and a better warranty for the price. It is also better-looking and has a larger trunk. (Both have top safety ratings, although I don't know whether one is safer than the other.) Frankly, the Legacy looks and feels outdated by comparison. If Hyundai ever decides to make an AWD version, God help the Legacy. On a Legacy forum, I recently asked posters if they would buy another Legacy if they didn't need AWD. A lot of answers came back and the overwhelming majority said no. And now that Hyundai has released the 2.0 Turbo model with 274hp, you have to wonder about the relevance of the Legacy GT. My only concern with the Hyundai is whether I would get the same superb service that I now get at the Subaru dealer. The nearest Hyundai dealer to me has bad BBB ratings and many complaints.
#863 of 1010 Re: CPO 2010 Limited 4cyl [longislander1]
Apr 05, 2011 (8:45 am)
What was odd to me was that the Kia is supposed to be the sportier one. I can't imagine what the Sonata is like, then.
To be fair, most cars in this class are boring, with few exceptions. The Legacy was not, though.
Not to negate the positives about the Sonata, but the Optima also had poor rear visibility.
A Subaru without AWD is like non-alcoholic beer.
Hyundai's powertrain is great, but like I said, my complaints were in other areas, mostly subjective. 274hp with numb steering and isolated handling are not a good combination at all. They need a sporty version and a manual trans to boot.
#864 of 1010 Legacy 2.5i Premium w AWP
Apr 25, 2011 (8:36 am)
I used this Forum before my purchase, so figured I give back.
I bought my Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium with All Weather Package for 21500 + 400 documentation fee. With TTL it was 24K. NYC area.
#865 of 1010 Re: CPO 2010 Limited 4cyl [ateixeira]
Apr 25, 2011 (10:09 am)
Your comments probably point out the fact that two different people can have different reactions to the same car. It doesn't mean either one is wrong. I haven't driven the Kia, but I certainly found the Hyundai comparable in handling to my '08 Legacy Limited and the '11 Legacy Premium that was my last dealer loaner. At the NY auto show last week, I had a chance to do a close examination of the Sonata hybrid and that will probably be my next car. I'm willing to give up AWD for the better looks, extra luxury, additional room (interior and trunk) and superior gas mileage and warranties. If you put that hybrid next to a current Legacy, the latter simply looks old and out of date. I also had a chance to look at the new Impreza and, while it's better-looking than the last model, it's still a really boring design. Subaru may be selling well now and it's attempting to boost sales in warmer climates, but the competition is invading its territory. There are now more AWD choices and a number of other brands in the price range are matching its five-star crash ratings and exceeding its technology. Subaru was supposed to do a hybrid using Toyota technology, but we've heard nothing about that recently. It'll be offering Toyota's new small sports car, but it will be RWD and not AWD. It's getting a lot tougher to remain a Subaru loyalist when the brand isn't keeping up with the competition or maintaining its unique position in the market.
#866 of 1010 Re: CPO 2010 Limited 4cyl [longislander1]
Apr 26, 2011 (9:49 am)
Funny thing is I don't mind a conservative interior, in fact I'd prefer to take risks in exterior styling vs. a flashy interior where I can't find the buttons. To me ergonomics > styling.
Having said that, the Kia's interior was fine, in fact it sort of looked old school compared to Hyundai's edgier design.
#867 of 1010 Re: CPO 2010 Limited 4cyl [ateixeira]
Apr 26, 2011 (10:36 am)
If I had my druthers, I'd like to see the Kia's exterior, the Hyundai's interior and the Subaru's AWD and safety, all in a hybrid. That would be my ideal car. BTW, I like the new Legacy's interior design a lot and it's a real improvement over my '08. It's the exterior that leaves me flat, both on the Legacy and (especially) the Outback. I'm guessing Subaru thinks it needs the conservative design to appeal to us quirky buyers, but we like good design, too.
#868 of 1010 Re: CPO 2010 Limited 4cyl [longislander1]
Apr 26, 2011 (11:57 am)
I'll take the Hyundai warranty, the Kia price, and the Subaru vehicle! LOL
Maybe the Sonata's MPG as well....
#869 of 1010 2011 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium (Acton, MA)
May 04, 2011 (7:07 am)
Have gotten good info from the fourm & wanted to give back. Here are the details of my recent purchase - 5/1/11
2011 Legacy Sedan 2.5i Premium
All weather package
Auto-dim mirror (dealer install)
Remote start (dealer install)
$24500, $25600 w/tax, registration and destination fees
Village Subaru - Acton MA
#870 of 1010 Re: 2011 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium (Acton, MA) [amurray22]
May 04, 2011 (7:42 am)
Nice purchase, Andy! Good luck with your new Legacy. I like the Premium level, but would prefer leather upholstery. Yesterday, I did a double take at my dealer when I saw an Outback Premium with leather. It turns out the dealer installed Katzkin (a good brand of aftermarket leather upholstery) covers and added $1,499 to the cost of the car. While that's not cheap, I was really impressed with the fit and finish of the leather. It seems to be slightly superior to the factory leather seats and posters on the Legacy forum say they wear like iron. I have no connection to Katzkin, but was impressed enough to pass on the information here. At least there's now an option for leather without having to upgrade to the Limited.
#871 of 1010 Re: 2011 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium (Acton, MA) [amurray22]
May 05, 2011 (10:11 am)
Congrats, Andy. CVT or manual?