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#857 of 1005 2011 Subaru Legacy Premium 2.5i
Mar 30, 2011 (1:24 pm)
Just helped my mom purchase a new 2011 Subaru Legacy Premium 2.5i automatic with all weather package (heated cloth seats), auto dimming mirror w/compass, and body side molding for $20,939 plus tax, title, license and $99 service fee (MSRP was $23,655, invoice according to Edmunds is $22,213). Got 2.29% financing for 60 months also. Did not have a trade in. We got an online quote from a dealership about 100 miles away to help negotiate with the dealership that is 30 miles away from my mom's house. The dealership we bought from first gave us a quote of $22,000 and than I sent them the online quote (ex the dealership name and location) and they matched it. Very easy to deal with, almost to easy, so maybe you could get an even better deal. My mom loves the car and I think we got a good deal.
#858 of 1005 CPO 2010 Limited 4cyl
Apr 02, 2011 (7:41 pm)
I found a CPO limited 4cyl in the color I want with 10k mileage. They've verbally agreed to sell for $23100 to include adding tint, spoiler, and cargo tray. I've had a difficult time deciding between the invoice price of a new 2011 without the spoiler and tint, and this car. Am I getting a decent deal?
I'm in TX, and this is the only vehicle within 400 miles in the color I'm looking for, and mileage.
Your help is greatly appreciated!
#859 of 1005 Re: CPO 2010 Limited 4cyl [kyoshi]
Apr 03, 2011 (8:39 am)
I realize that TX is not as competitive a market as here in CO, but that seems high to me. I bought a NEW 2010 Ltd in November '09 with Homelink, rubber mats (trunk mat too), hood and sunroof deflectors, mud flaps, iPod/Bluetooth connection and PZEV (not required but saves me ever having to get the smog test done) for $25,200.
They didnt' have the color I wanted in stock but I only waited a week to get one in.
Short answer; $23,000 is too high when for another $2K-$3K you should be able to get a 2011 model with NO miles.
#860 of 1005 Re: CPO 2010 Limited 4cyl [kyoshi]
Apr 03, 2011 (9:12 am)
I don't mean to be critical, but since you asked, I think you would be overpaying for this car. You can probably buy the tint for less money from any local supplier and you can order the cargo tray at a discount off the factory price from many Subaru parts and accessory suppliers online. As for the spoiler, IMHO it doesn't belong on a 170-horsepower car. If you must have a Subaru, find a new one at that price or a little more. I would bet that the car you're looking at is a demonstrator or loaner and you simply don't know how it was treated. Ask the sales person for the Carfax on it.
I love my two '08 Subarus, including my Legacy Limited daily driver, but frankly, if I lived in Texas as you do, I would be driving a Hyundai Sonata Limited if I didn't need the all-wheel drive. The Hyundai is an all-around better car with a better warranty and, for your price range, you can probably find plenty of new ones in your area. Just my two cents.
#861 of 1005 Re: CPO 2010 Limited 4cyl [longislander1]
Apr 04, 2011 (6:14 pm)
My brother was car-shopping, so we just test drove a Kia Optima with a manual transmission.
To be honest, I was a bit disappointed. Fantastic car on paper, but some how it was just less than the sum of its parts. Numb steering, too-light clutch and shifter, not very fun to drive. Subjective things that are not shown on any spec sheet, but neither of us liked it.
We drove a Legacy sedan right afterwards and both of us liked it a lot better. Especially the steering.
He actually ended up buying a Forester.
I'd recommend the Kia only to someone who prefers isolation over driving involvement.
#862 of 1005 Re: CPO 2010 Limited 4cyl [ateixeira]
Apr 05, 2011 (6:57 am)
I know the Optima has shared mechanicals with the Sonata, but I haven't driven the Kia. From what I've seen, the Optima interior certainly looks cheaper than the Sonata's. I have driven the 2011 Legacy and have had several drives in the Sonata, both base trim (several days in a rental) and Limited. I'm a Subaru loyalist, but frankly, if you don't need the all-wheel-drive, the Sonata is the better car. It has more power, gets better mileage and has more amenities and a better warranty for the price. It is also better-looking and has a larger trunk. (Both have top safety ratings, although I don't know whether one is safer than the other.) Frankly, the Legacy looks and feels outdated by comparison. If Hyundai ever decides to make an AWD version, God help the Legacy. On a Legacy forum, I recently asked posters if they would buy another Legacy if they didn't need AWD. A lot of answers came back and the overwhelming majority said no. And now that Hyundai has released the 2.0 Turbo model with 274hp, you have to wonder about the relevance of the Legacy GT. My only concern with the Hyundai is whether I would get the same superb service that I now get at the Subaru dealer. The nearest Hyundai dealer to me has bad BBB ratings and many complaints.
#863 of 1005 Re: CPO 2010 Limited 4cyl [longislander1]
Apr 05, 2011 (9:45 am)
What was odd to me was that the Kia is supposed to be the sportier one. I can't imagine what the Sonata is like, then.
To be fair, most cars in this class are boring, with few exceptions. The Legacy was not, though.
Not to negate the positives about the Sonata, but the Optima also had poor rear visibility.
A Subaru without AWD is like non-alcoholic beer.
Hyundai's powertrain is great, but like I said, my complaints were in other areas, mostly subjective. 274hp with numb steering and isolated handling are not a good combination at all. They need a sporty version and a manual trans to boot.
#864 of 1005 Legacy 2.5i Premium w AWP
Apr 25, 2011 (9:36 am)
I used this Forum before my purchase, so figured I give back.
I bought my Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium with All Weather Package for 21500 + 400 documentation fee. With TTL it was 24K. NYC area.
#865 of 1005 Re: CPO 2010 Limited 4cyl [ateixeira]
Apr 25, 2011 (11:09 am)
Your comments probably point out the fact that two different people can have different reactions to the same car. It doesn't mean either one is wrong. I haven't driven the Kia, but I certainly found the Hyundai comparable in handling to my '08 Legacy Limited and the '11 Legacy Premium that was my last dealer loaner. At the NY auto show last week, I had a chance to do a close examination of the Sonata hybrid and that will probably be my next car. I'm willing to give up AWD for the better looks, extra luxury, additional room (interior and trunk) and superior gas mileage and warranties. If you put that hybrid next to a current Legacy, the latter simply looks old and out of date. I also had a chance to look at the new Impreza and, while it's better-looking than the last model, it's still a really boring design. Subaru may be selling well now and it's attempting to boost sales in warmer climates, but the competition is invading its territory. There are now more AWD choices and a number of other brands in the price range are matching its five-star crash ratings and exceeding its technology. Subaru was supposed to do a hybrid using Toyota technology, but we've heard nothing about that recently. It'll be offering Toyota's new small sports car, but it will be RWD and not AWD. It's getting a lot tougher to remain a Subaru loyalist when the brand isn't keeping up with the competition or maintaining its unique position in the market.
#866 of 1005 Re: CPO 2010 Limited 4cyl [longislander1]
Apr 26, 2011 (10:49 am)
Funny thing is I don't mind a conservative interior, in fact I'd prefer to take risks in exterior styling vs. a flashy interior where I can't find the buttons. To me ergonomics > styling.
Having said that, the Kia's interior was fine, in fact it sort of looked old school compared to Hyundai's edgier design.