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#612 of 1010 Re: Quote on 09 Special Edition [horsecca]
Jul 17, 2008 (9:10 am)
Interesting, I had a similar quote when I went there about a month ago. They offered to get the 2008 Legacy 2.5i SE down to the 19's.
It's a very good price for the 2008, I think there may also be some good financing deals too.
The differences between the `09 and the `08 are the stereo (huge upgrade with audio) and the VDC being standard across the board. I'm sure you know roads aren't the best up here in NJ, and while I've never hydroplaned in my Civic, I definitely have 360'd down the Parkway in even light snow. Would VDC have helped me? Probably not as AWD would have, which is what made me look at Subarus in the first place.
I found a pretty good website for data regarding pricing and specifications. It's not nearly as pretty as Edmunds, nor does it have reviews etc, just very data-driven:
This shows that the PZEV version of the 2.5i SE has a dealer invoice of $21,723 including Destination Fees (about $700).
The manual PZEV 2.5i SE is $20,811 including Destination.
$21,398 is some considerable savings under the invoice price assuming you went with the automatic (you didn't list the transmission style above.)
With tax (7%) this would take it to $22,895 which is pretty good for an all-wheel drive car with vehicle stability control. Even the new Nissan Sentras and Honda Civics on a comparably equipped vehicle will start to get into the 18's/19's (though, they are FWD only, so they have better gas mileage but you lose the AWD).
I may go talk to the sales agents down there anyway even though there aren't any good rebates. I wish I'd paid attention last year with the `08's just coming out. I'd love to know if there's going to be an "End of the Summer" or "Fall" event for the 2009's - I can last another few months to save a grand or two.
What eventually's going to have to happen for me is I'll have to convince them that I want it out the door at $22,000 before taking down payments and tradeins into consideration. Will it happen? Who knows, but I will say towards the end of the month is when you start getting some awesome deals on cars (I test drove a Hyundai Elantra for the heck of it about a year ago, and they were trying to sell me it brand new for 11,000 - about 5,500 less than the sticker MSRP!)
$22,000 out the door - Tax would mean the car would be sold for $20,460 (minus documentation) which I think is a decent price.
Anyone know if SoA tends to have similar offers later in the year compared to what they had this summer (0% financing for well-qualified buyers, $1000+ cash back)
#613 of 1010 Re: Quote on 09 Special Edition [horsecca]
Jul 17, 2008 (10:45 am)
At this time of year, you might be able to get an '08 Limited for the same price as the '09 SE. You'll get leather, VDC and other amenities and the look won't be any different. If I were you, I'd buy an '08 Limited and then trot off to an aftermarket shop for better speakers (or ask the dealer if the '09 HK speakers can be retrofitted), plus add the Subaru subwoofer under the seat. Paying an extra $2,400 to get the Harmon Kardon stuff just doesn't make sense to me. If they're putting it in Subarus, it's not likely HK's top-of-the-line equipment anyway. My wife and I have '08s (1 Limited, 1 Outback LLBean) and I don't think the sound is that bad (although I do have one buzzing speaker that needs a fix at the dealer).
Jul 17, 2008 (10:54 am)
My wife and I aren't huge fans of leather, though I suppose she would enjoy the heated seats.
I'll mull it over. Thanks for the recommendation.
#615 of 1010 Re: Quote on 09 Special Edition [longislander1]
Jul 17, 2008 (11:05 am)
Thank you both for the thoughts. I might just go with the 08 SE and do the audio upgrade later. Will the upgrade void the warranty? Just be curious. Thanks.
#616 of 1010 Re: Quote on 09 Special Edition [horsecca]
Jul 18, 2008 (1:54 am)
I've heard on other forums that the head unit is linked to the speakers, so if you want to replace the head unit then you have to replace the speakers and vice-versa. I'll hunt down a link to get you a source.
#617 of 1010 Re: Quote on 09 Special Edition [pilot1226]
Jul 19, 2008 (1:33 pm)
If you go here -- http://legacygt.com/forums/index.php? -- and do a search, you'll find plenty of threads on speaker and head unit replacement. I believe you can replace the speakers and they'll work with the existing head unit. People on the Legacy forum say they've done it. I've read you can't replace the head unit with an aftermarket model because the unit is integrated with the automatic climate control. Given the the '09 model is not redesigned and is essentially an upgraded '08, it may be possible to swap out the existing stereo equipment with the new Harmon Kardon stuff. However, I'm not sure how much that would eat into the $2400 price difference between the '08 and '09 that's been discussed on here.
#618 of 1010 SoCal 08 Legacy 2.5i Limited w/ VDC
Jul 23, 2008 (11:08 am)
Thank you in advance for all the info and help I could get from all of you.
Currently I am in the process of negotiating for my very first new car. I am eyeing on a Quartz Silver 08 Legacy Limited w/ VDC, MSRP $25,784. So far my best quotation from dealers is $22,695 (tax&license no included). I wonder how far more can they go for. Also, I will be financing for the car at 60 months term. Currently I am getting quote for 3.9% interest. Is this something that's negotiable? Are they willing to go down to 2.9%?
Please kindly let me know what you think as I am ready to go back and make the final decision. Just do not want to lose a couple hundred dollars because I didn't do research well enough!
Thank you! Hoping to get some answers going!
#619 of 1010 Re: SoCal 08 Legacy 2.5i Limited w/ VDC [jae_hung]
Jul 23, 2008 (1:02 pm)
I checked Fitzgerald Auto Mall in Maryland, which usually has the lowest published prices, and they have an '08 Limited listing at $25,500 MSRP and selling for $22,000, but they don't mention that any financing is included. Given that your car has a higher sticker price and you're also getting 3.9% financing for 60 months, it sounds like a good deal to me. However, I know the car buying environment has changed dramatically in the last few months so maybe there's more room to negotiate. I got my Limited in January for $22,900 (MSRP $25,400+) in NY, paid cash, and got a very fair trade-in price for my SUV (at a time when gas prices were much lower). See if they'll go to 2.9%, but I bet they feel they've hit rock bottom. Another possibility is to ask them to throw in an additional accessory or two.
#620 of 1010 Re: SoCal 08 Legacy 2.5i Limited w/ VDC [longislander1]
Jul 23, 2008 (1:38 pm)
I appreciate your feedback, Longislander! Your advise on this discussion was very helpful, especially during price negotiation!
I just had some final negotiatoin with the dealer; Finally knocked off a couple hundred bucks and got a final quote at $22,200 (tax & license not included). These seemed like the lowest they can go. So I have asked them to throw in a All-Weather Floormat, and a free cap
So here is what I will be getting:
Final Quote: $22,220 (tax & license not included)
Finance Interest (60 month): 3.9%
Subaru Legacy Limited w/VDC
Arm Rest Extension
Auto Dimming Mirror/Compass
All Weather Floor Mats
A cap (yes, they threw in a cap, which is something you wear on your head :p )
Please let me know what you think about the price. If everything goes well, I will be on my way to dealership tomorrow and sign some papers!
#621 of 1010 Re: SoCal 08 Legacy 2.5i Limited w/ VDC [jae_hung]
Jul 24, 2008 (9:27 am)
Sounds pretty good! The floor mats are usually "sticker priced" between 50-100 dollars, and honestly the difference between 3.9 and 2.9 is only a few dollars a month. While this does add up over the 60 month life of the loan, you have to keep in mind:
You can get around 3% - maybe higher using online savings accounts like ING. CD's, while somewhat inflexible with taking the money out, could put you above 4% APR interest.
I'm in a similar situation - going to talk final numbers with a dealer Tuesday about the `09 2.5i SE. I plan on putting just a little bit down - which will depend on the interest rate they offer me for financing - and the remainder will go into a 4 separate CD accounts.
1st for months 13-24
2nd for months 25-36
3rd for 37-48
4th for 49-60th.
As these CD's mature, I imagine I will lock the remaining 3 in for another year.
It's a pain in the butt, but with CD's you generally get higher interest rates anyway so if you're got the money to stash away you can actually make the interest you're paying in a bank.