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Subaru Legacy, Sedan, Wagon
#507 of 1005 Re: odd [rallyfan]
Jul 31, 2007 (4:30 am)
SE is not the base model. SE is automatic only. The base model is manual only. Be sure which you're getting a quote for. That's a great price for an SE, but you should be able to get at least another $1000 off for a base model. With the current $1000 rebate, you should be shooting for about $2000 below invoice on a 2007. You can see the pricing levels here (including invoice for each model):
And farther up that page, you can see the difference between an SE and a base model (scroll down after reading the standard equipment on the base model and you'll find what the SE trim adds):
The base model is actually pretty rare. Subaru manufacturered very few, opting to push people toward the SE level. Many people consider the SE to be the base model, since Subaru built so few of the actual base 2.5i vehicles. If you're looking for a manual Legacy wagon at a low price, base is the model to go for if you can find it.
#508 of 1005 pzev and effect on gas mileage
Aug 02, 2007 (11:33 am)
I am considering purchasing a 2008 Legacy se automatic...one of the cars I am looking at has PZEV and the other does not.For a car with this option(PZEV)will gas mileage improve or be unaffected?what is a realistic averagecity/highway driving gas mileage if doing 70percent highway and 30percent city.Thank you for your advice.
#509 of 1005 spoiler on 2008 legacy se sedan automatic
Aug 02, 2007 (11:36 am)
What's the opinion of the forum readers on spoilers...do they add or detract from the car?is it a negative on resale(because not everyone likes them)?since the car is a conservative design,does a spoiler belong on it or does it look like you're trying to turn a sedan into a sports car?I'm trying to decide between a 2008 with a spoiler and one without. Your views are appreciated.
#510 of 1005 Re: pzev and effect on gas mileage [rudi2]
Aug 02, 2007 (1:49 pm)
I believe the MPG is the same for the PZEV vehicles. We average about 26-27 MPG overall in similar conditions to yours - about 70% highway, 30% city - with our '06 Legacy SE automatic. Our highway mileage has been better than expected... in fact, just yesterday I drove from Seattle to the Portland area and achieved about 35MPG using cruise control and going 65-75 (depending on the local limits). Obviously, your mileage may vary, but good economy is possible.
Spoiler? Really comes down to your personal preference. We don't have one on ours, but I think it looks fine on the car. (Personally, I'd prefer a spoiler if I had a turbo model, but no biggie either way to me.) As far as resale goes, I think you're just as likely to find folks who'll prefer a spoiler as folks who don't.
#511 of 1005 Re: pzev and effect on gas mileage [jeffmc]
Aug 02, 2007 (1:56 pm)
THank you for your email...do you have a PZEC vehicle?That highway mileage is really great.
#512 of 1005 Re: pzev and effect on gas mileage [rudi2]
Aug 02, 2007 (5:22 pm)
PZEV gives up I think 5hp, probably not noticeable, and has the same fuel economy ratings.
Forget all that, though, what matters is that because it's a PZEV the emissions warranty is MUCH longer, I think all that stuff is covered for 100k miles. I'm talking the cat and all the expensive emissions stuff.
That's worth getting a PZEV for all by itself.
#513 of 1005 Re: pzev and effect on gas mileage [rudi2]
Aug 02, 2007 (11:22 pm)
Ours is not PZEV, but the next one will be. As more states are adopting those requirements, PZEVs are easier to get now.
We were pleased when we first achieved over the 30MPG hwy rating on our Legacy. We've noticed a small bump (1-2 MPG increase) as the engine has become "broken in" (15,000-19,000 miles), and this seems to be fairly common. If you drive in a gentle manner, I think it's possible to get good mileage. Of course, whenever we drive a bit more aggressively (say, stomping it on the freeway onramp), the MPG goes down.
#514 of 1005 Re: pzev and effect on gas mileage [jeffmc]
Aug 03, 2007 (7:30 am)
If PZEV models are offered in MD we'd get one, too. In fact I hope the 2009 Forester comes with a PZEV powertrain.
#515 of 1005 Re: pzev and effect on gas mileage [ateixeira]
Aug 03, 2007 (7:22 pm)
Check out Heritage Subaru in Owings Mills, MD. Many of their models in their online list of inventory show PZEV. I don't know anything about the dealership though.
#516 of 1005 Re: pzev and effect on gas mileage [jaffee]
Aug 07, 2007 (7:46 am)
Interesting. It's not mandated in MD, though, so I wonder if it still gets the emissions warranty.