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Subaru Legacy Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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Re: question to era174 [era174] by dwynne
Oct 21, 2005 (12:08 pm)
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Replying to: era174 (Oct 21, 2005 10:14 am)

AWD does nothing to help you stop - a common mistake 4x4 and AWD drivers make. They go flying past you on a icy or snowy day and then down the road you pass them as they sit in the ditch.
 
ABS and stability control combined with good snow or snow/ice tires does a lot more for you than AWD does.
 
That said, I have an older ('96) Legacy wagon I use just snow days, ABS, AWD, and four snow/ice tires make it a "mountain goat". No DSC offered on that old of a car, however.
 
Dennis
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Re: all wheel ABS vs two wheel ABS: question to era174 [dwynne] by era174
Oct 21, 2005 (6:01 pm)
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Replying to: dwynne (Oct 21, 2005 12:08 pm)

Thanks for your info, dwynne. The salesperson I met today opened the hood and showed me the FOUR cables for ABS. He said Subaru AWD is all the better because it has all wheel ABS while front wheel ABS has just two wheel ABS (?) or something like that. I hope he's correct on that point.
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Re: all wheel ABS vs two wheel ABS: question to era174 [era174] by kyfdx HOST
Oct 21, 2005 (7:20 pm)
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Replying to: era174 (Oct 21, 2005 6:01 pm)

Nope.... just sales talk... Some pickup trucks have rear-wheel ABS only, but I'm pretty sure that every car with ABS is on all four wheels..
 
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Re: all wheel ABS vs two wheel ABS: question to era174 [era174] by ateixeira
Oct 22, 2005 (4:39 pm)
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Replying to: era174 (Oct 21, 2005 6:01 pm)

He may have pointed out the 4 channels and 4 sensors that make up every ABS system in Subarus. Some manufacturers use 3 channel ABS (1 channel for both rear wheels) to cut costs. Honda, for instance.
 
The ABS still works on all 4 wheels, though. It's 3 channel ABS, though.
 
2 wheel ABS has been used on some cheaper pickups because the rear brakes tend to skid when the bed is empty.
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'06 LL Bean by boogie95
Oct 22, 2005 (7:16 pm)
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in Tennessee paid $29,163 after incentives. Was part of the Subie VIP program through my wife's work. Price included extras: equipment group 1E - the compass mirror with Homelink and all-weather mats.
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Re: question to era174 [era174] by krzyss
Oct 25, 2005 (6:45 am)
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Replying to: era174 (Oct 21, 2005 10:14 am)

Thanks for reply.
This is what I suspected. You are buying AWD because of wrong reasons.
 
The single (really quadruple) most important item that helps breaking in low traction environments is...
the tire.
 
If you can test drive Subaru Impreza WRX STI, with the most advanced AWD that Subaru makes, in the snow you will find that its summer high performance tires provide almost no traction and you have All Wheel Slide not Drive. Put some nice All Seasons or even better Winter tires and the story changes.
 
If you had better tires on current vehicle you would enjoy better control.
 
It brings me to another question.
 
What kind of tires did you have when you experienced these hair raising adventures?
 
Krzys
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Re: question to era174 [krzyss] by dwynne
Oct 25, 2005 (10:01 am)
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Replying to: krzyss (Oct 25, 2005 6:45 am)

I agree that they got AWD for the wrong reason.
 
But I always recommend summer tires and snow tires on spare wheels. "All season" tires are jack of all trades, master of NONE. Summer tread tires are better in the dry and wet than all season and snow or snow/ice tires are MUCH better in winter driving. If you are lucky, you can get cheap steel wheels to fit your car and keep the snow tires mounted up and just swap the wheels w/tires 2x per year. TireRack or DiscountTireDirect are good places to check for winter wheel/tire combos. Add in 4 channel ABS and AWD with 4 snow tires and you will LOVE driving in the snow
 
Dennis
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Re: question to era174 [dwynne] by ateixeira
Oct 25, 2005 (10:48 am)
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Replying to: dwynne (Oct 25, 2005 10:01 am)

That works if the change of seasons happens in a clear manner. But DC's weather is unpredictable. We have years with no snow at all, and then we have blizzards in March. Late March.
 
You'd be mounting/dismounting your tires 8-10 times per year to have the ideal tire at all times.
 
-juice
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Re: question to era174 [krzyss] by era174
Oct 30, 2005 (2:48 pm)
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Replying to: krzyss (Oct 25, 2005 6:45 am)

thanks for your info, krzyss.
i've learned a lot from you and other members.
this forum is great!
 
fyi, i just had all season tires.
i'll be sure to have snow tires on my legacy.
snow tires + awd + 4 channel abs = wow!
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got my 2006 subaru legacy! by era174
Oct 30, 2005 (3:27 pm)
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i told you about my salesperson who insisted canadian legacy/outback is manufactured in japan. when i taught him how to read subaru VIN (4S3 means the indiana factory, usa), he said all the major parts are made in japan and they're assembled in usa. he's a nice guy, so i didn't wanna argue more. anyway, i' just learned he's been working for subaru just for ONE MONTH! i guess subaru canada has to educate their new sales crew thoroughly (maybe some exit exam after training sessions). anyway, i hope he'll learn more when i need his service.
 
my legacy is 2.5i wagon automatic. i paid C$1,000 less than mrsp. canadian mrsp is high, C$ 30,695 (U$ 26,081 / usa mrsp is U$ 23,695). considering it has heated front seats and automatic seat adjustment (options for american models, say around C$ 700), it's still C$ 2,000 (U$ 1,700) more than the usa equivalent.
 
fyi, honda cr-v (2.4l, 5a) and accord ex (2.4l, 5a) have almost the same mrsp as legacy 2.5i wagon automatic in usa. they're also around C$ 2,000 more in canada.
 
the 2006 canadian version has minor upgrades: yokohama advan a82a tires (p205/50r17 88v), 17" x 7" aluminum alloy and engine immobilizer system.
 
i just drove 50 kilometers. i found acceleration quite impressive compared to civic, beetle and mazda3 i used to drive. so far so good. i'll post more on 2005+ legacy/outback forum.

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