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#188 of 777 Re: question to era174 [krzyss] by era174 Oct 21, 2005 (10:14 am)
Replying to: krzyss (Oct 21, 2005 4:29 am) Actually i tried to stop. The first car span around twice and stopped right before another car (probably on black ice). The second one skidded into a valley side on a mountain road (snow plowed already and clean) and stopped a few meters away from the valley. I'm a very cautious driver and I was driving very slowly in those two cases. No more front wheel cars for me. Replies to this message: dwynne (Oct 21, 2005 12:08 pm) era174 (Oct 21, 2005 6:01 pm) kyfdx (Oct 21, 2005 7:20 pm) ateixeira (Oct 22, 2005 4:39 pm) krzyss (Oct 25, 2005 6:45 am) dwynne (Oct 25, 2005 10:01 am) ateixeira (Oct 25, 2005 10:48 am) and 1 more... era174 (Oct 30, 2005 2:48 pm)
#189 of 777 Re: question to era174 [era174] by dwynne Oct 21, 2005 (12:08 pm)
Replying to: era174 (Oct 21, 2005 10:14 am) AWD does nothing to help you stop - a common mistake 4x4 and AWD drivers make. They go flying past you on a icy or snowy day and then down the road you pass them as they sit in the ditch.   ABS and stability control combined with good snow or snow/ice tires does a lot more for you than AWD does.   That said, I have an older ('96) Legacy wagon I use just snow days, ABS, AWD, and four snow/ice tires make it a "mountain goat". No DSC offered on that old of a car, however.   Dennis Replies to this message: era174 (Oct 21, 2005 6:01 pm) kyfdx (Oct 21, 2005 7:20 pm) ateixeira (Oct 22, 2005 4:39 pm)
#190 of 777 Re: all wheel ABS vs two wheel ABS: question to era174 [dwynne] by era174 Oct 21, 2005 (6:01 pm)
Replying to: dwynne (Oct 21, 2005 12:08 pm) Thanks for your info, dwynne. The salesperson I met today opened the hood and showed me the FOUR cables for ABS. He said Subaru AWD is all the better because it has all wheel ABS while front wheel ABS has just two wheel ABS (?) or something like that. I hope he's correct on that point. Replies to this message: kyfdx (Oct 21, 2005 7:20 pm) ateixeira (Oct 22, 2005 4:39 pm)
#191 of 777 Re: all wheel ABS vs two wheel ABS: question to era174 [era174] by kyfdx HOST Oct 21, 2005 (7:20 pm)
Replying to: era174 (Oct 21, 2005 6:01 pm) Nope.... just sales talk... Some pickup trucks have rear-wheel ABS only, but I'm pretty sure that every car with ABS is on all four wheels..   Stop over to this discussion.. Subaru Crew: 2005+ Subaru Legacy/Outback   for everything you ever wanted to know about the Subaru Legacy
#192 of 777 Re: all wheel ABS vs two wheel ABS: question to era174 [era174] by ateixeira Oct 22, 2005 (4:39 pm)
Replying to: era174 (Oct 21, 2005 6:01 pm) He may have pointed out the 4 channels and 4 sensors that make up every ABS system in Subarus. Some manufacturers use 3 channel ABS (1 channel for both rear wheels) to cut costs. Honda, for instance.   The ABS still works on all 4 wheels, though. It's 3 channel ABS, though.   2 wheel ABS has been used on some cheaper pickups because the rear brakes tend to skid when the bed is empty.
#193 of 777 '06 LL Bean by boogie95 Oct 22, 2005 (7:16 pm)
in Tennessee paid $29,163 after incentives. Was part of the Subie VIP program through my wife's work. Price included extras: equipment group 1E - the compass mirror with Homelink and all-weather mats.
#194 of 777 Re: question to era174 [era174] by krzyss Oct 25, 2005 (6:45 am)
Replying to: era174 (Oct 21, 2005 10:14 am) Thanks for reply. This is what I suspected. You are buying AWD because of wrong reasons.   The single (really quadruple) most important item that helps breaking in low traction environments is... the tire.   If you can test drive Subaru Impreza WRX STI, with the most advanced AWD that Subaru makes, in the snow you will find that its summer high performance tires provide almost no traction and you have All Wheel Slide not Drive. Put some nice All Seasons or even better Winter tires and the story changes.   If you had better tires on current vehicle you would enjoy better control.   It brings me to another question.   What kind of tires did you have when you experienced these hair raising adventures?   Krzys Replies to this message: dwynne (Oct 25, 2005 10:01 am) ateixeira (Oct 25, 2005 10:48 am) dwynne (Nov 02, 2005 7:15 pm) era174 (Oct 30, 2005 2:48 pm)
#195 of 777 Re: question to era174 [krzyss] by dwynne Oct 25, 2005 (10:01 am)
Replying to: krzyss (Oct 25, 2005 6:45 am) I agree that they got AWD for the wrong reason.   But I always recommend summer tires and snow tires on spare wheels. "All season" tires are jack of all trades, master of NONE. Summer tread tires are better in the dry and wet than all season and snow or snow/ice tires are MUCH better in winter driving. If you are lucky, you can get cheap steel wheels to fit your car and keep the snow tires mounted up and just swap the wheels w/tires 2x per year. TireRack or DiscountTireDirect are good places to check for winter wheel/tire combos. Add in 4 channel ABS and AWD with 4 snow tires and you will LOVE driving in the snow   Dennis Replies to this message: ateixeira (Oct 25, 2005 10:48 am) dwynne (Nov 02, 2005 7:15 pm)
#196 of 777 Re: question to era174 [dwynne] by ateixeira Oct 25, 2005 (10:48 am)
Replying to: dwynne (Oct 25, 2005 10:01 am) That works if the change of seasons happens in a clear manner. But DC's weather is unpredictable. We have years with no snow at all, and then we have blizzards in March. Late March.   You'd be mounting/dismounting your tires 8-10 times per year to have the ideal tire at all times.   -juice Replies to this message: dwynne (Nov 02, 2005 7:15 pm)
#197 of 777 Re: question to era174 [krzyss] by era174 Oct 30, 2005 (2:48 pm)
Replying to: krzyss (Oct 25, 2005 6:45 am) thanks for your info, krzyss. i've learned a lot from you and other members. this forum is great!   fyi, i just had all season tires. i'll be sure to have snow tires on my legacy. snow tires + awd + 4 channel abs = wow!

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