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#284 of 938 Re: 06 STI vs EVO IX [shrink2]
Jan 20, 2006 (1:00 pm)
here's my comments from 2 years ago... everything still applies except the Additional Dealer Markup on the Evo MR. You can easily get either car for under MSRP if you look around; there are a few clueless dealers still trying to get premiums for these cars, but they are in the minority.
oh wait I see another thing but am not going to bother to re-author... the "Patti factor" is now gone for Subaru.
they are very similar cars, although the 3 trims of Evo now available versus just one STi does muddy the comparision a bit. my opinions are sprinkled in among some measured facts. I am comparing 2005 models --Evo just now available-- but drive an '03 Evo (GSR).
- plenty of power with both doing 13.3-13.5 second quartermile under magazine test conditions. under less abusive real-world driving, they're not as fast due to avoiding harsh AWD launches.
- 'in your face' styling
- suspension that is heavily handling biased and offers little ride comfort
- no near-luxo features
- both* have HID headlamps
- acceptable fuel mileage for the HP delivered
- noisy, harsh-riding, super sticky summer-only original equipment tires
- unbelivably powerful brakes (same Brembo calipers on both cars)
- excellent visibility compared to other sporty cars due to lots of glass and the tall rallycar stance (compare with 350Z and RX-8)
- Subaru has never been remotely as large as Mitsubishi, but Mitsubishi's size is definitely not an advantage when they have tremendous debt and rapidly fading brand image. If Mitsubishi were anything but a semi-nationalized Japanese company they would have folded / sold long ago, but I'm not sure that they are going anywhere just yet.
- Mitsubishi reliability is at least as good as Subaru (headgaskets anyone?), but they are extremely aggressive about denying warranty on vehicles that are raced, have been modified, etc in the event you do have a problem. Subaru as a company is better about it, and weighing in the "Patti" factor there's no comparison.
- unreal performance for only $28,199.
- no sound deadening, no trunk lining, no HID headlights, no wing, no ABS, no power locks, no power windows.
- no resale value IMO because of the above, except to young sportcompact enthusiasts or real rally- / road-racers.
- narrower seats fit drivers below 200lb better than the STi seats
- aftermarket cruise control can be added for about $300. mine (Rostra) is much better than nothing but not near as good as OEM.
- much more neutral handling than the STi, whose pronounced understeer is felt under hard cornering
- ultra-quick steering with good road feel
- larger and more sophisticated turbocharger than the STi uses, but 19.5psi doesn't arrive until 3,500 rpm.
- truly useable backseat that is Subaru Legacy-sized.
- gas tank is a bit small at 14.0 gallons and is at least a gallon smaller than the Impreza.
- five speed gearbox is perfect for all but extended high speed highway use (about 3400 rpm at 80)
Evo GSR changes from RS:
- at $30,499 it offers everything that the STi does except DCCD and a six speed, for about $2,000 less.
- in my opinion, the hood vent is a lot more attractive and less obnoxious than the STi's hood scoop.
- hood vent is functional; massive heat waves can readily be seen as it is just over the turbocharger and air flows through the grille / radiator and then out the vent.
- interior is simple but does not look cheap in my opinion (look in a regular Lancer, hehe).
Evo MR changes from GSR:
- at $34,999 it is a poor value.
- ADM is likely, but if you hunt around enough you can probably find one for MSRP. unfortunately that is still not a fair price to me for this trim level.
- while it might be functional, I find the rear diffuser (comb-looking device at the top of the rear glass) to be ugly and unnecessary.
- gunmetal wheels do nothing for me, but they are forged aluminum like the STi wheels.
- six speed is very similar to STi, which is to say it will be a bit annoying in normal driving but nice to turn a few hundred RPM less at 80+ MPH on the highway.
- active center differential has tarmac, gravel and snow modes. many purchasers will use the vehicle only on tarmac, but it is roughly equivalent to the STi's DCCD.
- no active yaw control rear differential like the Japanese and European market Evo GSR and MR have.
- $32,295 is a decent price, but you can have one for invoice or a few hundred over, which makes it very competitive with Evo GSR and MR.
- considerably better torque than the Evo below 3,500 rpm-- only relevant in normal commuting/driving. doesn't matter at all when driving hard.
- DCCD's auto mode is probably better than the Evo MR's tarmac setting but it is overall less intuitive for users. many people would not know to set 50/50 in gravel and in heavy snow use 50/50 locked, even if it is suggested in the owner's manual.
- steering feel and speed improved for '05 but still lags behind the Evo
- wider sport seats are better for larger frames
- back seat is tight
- you either love or you hate the tall hood scoop. the wings on both cars are pretty wild.
- standard side airbags if you care. I don't.
#286 of 938 Re: 06 STI vs EVO IX [locke2c]
Jan 21, 2006 (7:04 am)
Nice write up,though I'm not sure which trim EVO GSR refers to (IX?). Prices have changed a little, with the MR now being a little more expensive, and that before the mark-ups. Road and Track has a nice comparison of the EVO MR and STI, both 06 in a Sports Car/GT edition.
I'm going to try to pick up an STI in the next week or so. I've got an offer for 31,999, with two years maint, and they have decent financing offers right now.
thanks for the input
#287 of 938 Re: 06 STI vs EVO IX [shrink2]
Jan 22, 2006 (10:24 am)
I just signed a buyer's agreement for my 2006 STI. I couldn't be happier, it's on it's way from Japan in a major shipment. It's expected to arrive in about 6 weeks. My final cost is $33,638 (including tax, title, and license).
Price is figured as listed:
$30,766.12 - car w/ delivery
$ 2,692.03 - 8.75% sales tax on $30,766.12
$ 180.00 - License and Title.
$33,638.15 - out of the door.
I conversed with about 8 dealers total before going with this guy, he was able to dip below invoice on a brand new car, ordered for me to meet all of my specs. I'll probably be adding a short throw shifter and wheel locks to this beast when it arrives. Based on complaints (in the NASIOC.com forums) I've heard about the stock shifter, I think it's worth it to upgrade to the short throw.
Either way, I'm friggin' psyched and counting down the days to the car's arrival.
#288 of 938 Re: 06 STI vs EVO IX [shrink2]
Jan 23, 2006 (7:12 am)
the un-named Evo trim here in the US and Canada is effectively the GSR trim level everywhere else. Sorry for the confusion!
Jan 23, 2006 (10:17 am)
Congrats, let us know when you get it...
#290 of 938 NEED ADVICE WITH 2005 WRX WAGON
Jan 25, 2006 (3:03 am)
Is $22,000 out the door(taxes included)a good price for this car? Minus the taxes and other stuff the base cost would be around $20,500. This car is brand spankin new with only 50 miles on it. For some reason it was sitting at the distributors warehouse. They have two left a rally blue and a black. If i do decide to get the car, which color should i get?
#291 of 938 Re: NEED ADVICE WITH 2005 WRX WAGON [iyamada]
Jan 25, 2006 (4:04 am)
That's a nutzoid good deal, I don't understand why they are selling it for that.
#292 of 938 Re: NEED ADVICE WITH 2005 WRX WAGON [raybear]
Jan 25, 2006 (7:12 am)
well let's see...
1) it's a model-year old
2) the current model has cosmetic changes. (I'm not sure if they are improvements, hehe.)
3) the current model has a much nicer 2.5L turbocharged engine
I'd say #3 is the biggest reason.
Jan 25, 2006 (7:15 am)
Sounds good to me.
I prefer the 2.5T engine as well, but you can't get it for that kind of price, and the 2.0T is probably a lot more fuel efficient.