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Subaru Forester, Wagon, SUV
#3041 of 3630 Re: Subaru Forester 2010 Limited PZEV in SoCal [jogousa]
Sep 17, 2010 (7:46 am)
That's an excellent price, but like the other poster said, they will get you in the service dept. That is their real profit center. I suggest going to a non-Subaru maintenance person that you trust for all your routine maintenance and then go to Subaru for any warranty work. The place I got my Subaru from is charging about $900 for services up to 30K (the 7,500 program), though I priced this about $500 at a favorite independent mechanic of mine. I also plan to put in Iridium spark plugs, as the OEM spark plugs are to be replaced every 30K, and the dealer charges a lot each time this is done.
#3042 of 3630 Re: How about this price ??? [gggould]
Sep 17, 2010 (8:42 am)
I could be wrong but that is the best price I've seen for that model + package on this forum. It's also the model my wife and I want too, do you mind sharing where you got this quote from?? I'm in nyc metro area. I'm also praying this is for an Automatic and not a manual !!!
#3043 of 3630 Re: Subaru Forester 2010 Limited PZEV in SoCal [redsoxfansocal]
Sep 17, 2010 (11:10 am)
Congrats. We have an 09 minus the Navi, otherwise like yours.
#3044 of 3630 Re: How about this price ??? [joepat711]
Sep 17, 2010 (5:04 pm)
Really difficult to say where this lies without more information. Assuming it's an automatic Premium with AWP and nothing else (no PZEV, no accessories) the MSRP is $24890 and the Invoice is $23439. The price of $22300 (+TTL) is $1139 under invoice, which certainly seems reasonable. I got a quote (eastern PA) for $1347 under invoice on a Special Edition and in one of the postings above a Limited in SoCal has just been negotiated to $1342 under invoice.
Now that the official info has been released about the 2011s (new engine design, same 4-spd automatic, slightly better EPA rating) and they are on-order from the dealers, it looks like discounts of at least $1000 under invoice are very attainable on the 2010s.
#3045 of 3630 Re: How about this price ??? [dad2be]
Sep 21, 2010 (5:08 pm)
"New" engine design is the same old engine, same displacement but a dual overhead chain driven cam (instead of one belt as on 2009 models) therefore you reach peak performance at lower RPM and therefore a slightly better mileage.
There are pros and cons at either of these designs. When it comes to replace those, it will cost more to replace both than just one.
#3046 of 3630 Re: How about this price ??? [jogousa]
Sep 22, 2010 (8:44 am)
I'm not sure how the chain (vs. belt) by itself would make it peak at lower rpm. That's probably in the tuning and more camshaft/valve-control related.
If anything, the chain means more reciprocating mass, so it would rev a smidge slower.
#3047 of 3630 Re: How about this price ??? [ateixeira]
Sep 22, 2010 (8:56 am)
I am not sure either - but that is how Subaru tech. explains (justifies) the better MPG on that new engine...i.e. because of the 2 chains vs. one belt MPG improved on the new engine.
By the way they claim the MPG improves only by 1 ....on the new engine...
#3048 of 3630 Re: How about this price ??? [jogousa]
Sep 22, 2010 (9:00 am)
The next step has gotta be Direct Injection.
The FT-86 is rumored to get 200hp from a 2.0l boxer, let's see if that's similar to this new DOHC engine, or what.
Hyundai did the same thing - 200hp from their base Sonata engine.
Subaru would be wise to bump their base 2.5l to 200hp.
BTW, is it still being called the EJ25?
#3049 of 3630 Re: How about this price ??? [ateixeira]
Sep 23, 2010 (3:03 am)
Actually, I should clarify my earlier post...
The power (output) remains the same but the increased MPG is achieved because the max power (170 HP) arrives at lower RPM - 4100 (old one had that at 4400) ... that is what I was trying to say... also they get extra 4 pound-feet of torque (from 170 to 174 new)...
The new engine has increased bore (from 2457 to 2498) with a longer stroke - that means that they can still call it 2,5 liter... now that makes sense, right?
The new engine will only be available in 2011 regular models - 2011 XT turbo models will have the same power plant as 2010.
Not sure what the engine designator will be...