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#2420 of 3625 About to purchase Limited 09
Feb 16, 2009 (6:50 am)
I've gone 'round and 'round via email.
Best price I've gotten is $24240. No other options, just the limited package.
Best price I've gotten for my trade is $7000. BTW, my trade is a 2004 Honda Civic with very low miles - 25,000. I've gotten low ball $4500 offers. Ridiculuous.
Best price and best trade not from the same dealer.
There's one dealer I prefer dealing with (location, attitude), but they are not the best price. I asked them over the phone to try one more time. Their answer "Can you come in?" Obviously, this will be the 'ol "What would it take to buy it today?"
I feel like a broken record. But (especially in this economy) this is how I make big purchases. I let them know this:
2. price shop
3. evaluate budget
4. have dealers negotiate with each other to best price
5. evaluate budget
6. evaulate budge again
7. sleep on it
8. Ask for lowest price one more time
9. decide to purchase
That maybe 1 month elapsed. Most dealers will write you off. Foolish. They need to stay on every potential customer and do their best.
I've removed IMPULSE from all facets of major purchase decisions. Obviously, this is not with the dealer wants. Go for a test drive, sign today!
Anyway, I've asked the dealer I like to show me more money somehow - like $1000 (they won't get there, well maybe they will).
So this particular dealer I'd be looking at
$24400 for a 2009 Subaru Forester 9FI no extras.
How does this compare to what you've all paid?
#2421 of 3625 Re: About to purchase Limited 09 [colbster]
Feb 16, 2009 (7:26 am)
In what state are you located, since the price can vary by state. Also note that some states are required to sell PZEVs which I found to increase the price by ~$500. I got around this by purchasing a non-PZEV from out of state and then registering it in my state (NJ)
$25,500 for my X-Limited (not including tax, plus $100 dealer fee) from Fitzmall in MD, a no-haggle place, but included several options
-auto-dim mirror with compass
-rear bumper cover
-all weather mats
-cargo tray: wasn't supposed to include this, but it was in there and I wasn't going to complain
No dealer in NJ could come close to matching this price. Some other dealers I shopped in MD were lower than in NJ but when I asked if they could beat this Fitzmall offer, they said no, but let us know if that deal falls through...
#2422 of 3625 Re: About to purchase Limited 09 [connieylee]
Feb 16, 2009 (8:36 am)
Massachusetts. This is not a PZEV vehicle. The price includes all dealer fees and destination charge, but not tax (5 % of after trade price), nor MA RMV fees (about $50-75).
Several dealers gave me the "let us know if it falls through option" r-i-i-ig-ht. Cargo Tray is standard on Limited - at least Subaru site says this.
#2423 of 3625 Re: About to purchase Limited 09 [colbster]
Feb 16, 2009 (8:44 am)
$24,400 seems like an excellent price for that car.
As you know, the new car price and trade work hand in hand so it might be best to focus on the net (ie take the 24,400 and subtract what you want for the trade) and then ask for it.
Here was my approach for my trade.
Initial trade offer was $9,000 from one dealer and $10,000 from another (both had just about the same asking price on the new car). Both were through the internet.
i went to Nada, KBB and Edmunds and printed out the values for my car. My trade was also a 2004, low miles, all services and clean/good condition. The range of trade was $9,700 to $11,700 taking into account the three sites. You probably already did this.
Since these are just websites and the market will determine the value of the trade, I searched cars.com for similar cars in my area and what they were going for (about $13k-$14k). This is msrp for the used car and they will not likely get this, but assuming they could get $12.5, I felt $11.2k for my trade was fair (allows for money they need to put into it to get it ready plus profit).
After deciding what I wanted for the trade, I sent a follow-up email to a few of the responding dealers saying with what I wanted to pay net (new car minus trade). I said that my car is in excellent shape and that I would like to come in so you can see it in person:
Before going in, I did the following:
- obtained a summary copy of all the services that I had done to my car. It creates a "story" for the dealer who takes the trade.
- noted the recent date, the vehicle passed emissions.
- spent $50 to have the interior vacummed, steam cleaned, armoraled, and exterior carwashed
I then picked 2-3 dealers who i would drive to that day if the 1st one wouldn't agree to my net price.
I handed the service record to the dealer, they looked at it and I ended up getting what I wanted for my trade.
it's easy once you have come to terms with what you want for the deal. just be efficient at the first dealer and be willing to say thank you and leave if they won't give you the net figure. When you go to the 2nd dealer, stick to you guns, but be flexible if they tell you the same
Feb 18, 2009 (10:54 am)
I think the rate is fair, actually.
I checked with my credit union and they offer 4.99% but only up to 60 months.
Your loan was 63 months so their rate would actually be 5.99%.
So your rate was actually 0.09% lower than my credit union's.
You did fine, don't worry about it and enjoy the car.
Feb 18, 2009 (9:41 pm)
I checked with different banks as well. I got what I could get considering my credit score slipped about forty points since the economy collapsed.
Now that I know I wasn't blatantly swindled, I will tell you where I got the car: Becker Subaru in Allentown, PA. Ask for "turbo Rob", and tell him Joe D. sent you.
The dealership's service department also outshines others in the Lehigh Valley of Pennsylvania - they offer a free loaner car for scheduled maintenance as well as 5% discounted labor rates. They're having a sale at the moment on ding repair: $90 for up to five minor sheetmetal dings. I brought my other car in the other day and they were great.
So, since my previous post isn't on this page, here's my price paid for everyone to read:
MSRP: $26,890 (pzev)
Dealer's Quoted Invoice: $25,261 (base dealer invoice: $24,566)
Internet price: $24,221 ($1,040 under invoice...previous offer was $300 under invoice...so this would technically be $345 under "base" dealer cost)
Homelink mirror, wheel arch mouldings, rear bumper guard, cargo cover (I didn't want the puddle lights because they could break if I bottom out): $1,058 including labor to install at dealership.
Purchase price: $25,279
TTL in Pennsylvania: $1,730
Financing: $340/month for 63 months ($21,411).
Feb 19, 2009 (8:57 am)
#2427 of 3625 2.9% financing through Subaru
Mar 04, 2009 (10:13 pm)
For those of you looking at buying a new Forester, I happened to notice that for the month of March 2009, they are offering 2.9% financing with no money down on a new Forester.
Great rate IMHO! Good time to buy!
#2428 of 3625 Some response, quickly pleaswe!!!
Mar 05, 2009 (8:13 pm)
Ok, I have decided to purchase Forester 2.5x limited. Every feature except turbo, including nav, bluetooth and kit so that XM radio will work (have been told that cost approx $400, even though the radio is "pre wired"
Have a firm offer from Mastria, Raynham for $25.995 including all of the above. I haven't been able to determine the invoice but sure seems like that price is somewhat below invoice.
I have a trade that will bring me $17,500 so only $8500 out of pocket so not really concerned about financing (although I know I would qualify for the 2.9 as would probably pay off the loan in one year.
Trading in 2008 Altima Hybrid, just want something with a little more room that will still get decent mpg. I drove the turbo would love it, but concerned about mpg & I guess premium fuel required. Have read dozens of messages on the boards and hear of mpg across the board. I do find it difficult to believe the turbo, no matter how conservatively driven will get much higher mpg than the 19 - 24 advertised. For the non-turbo, I would also expect to get the mileage indicated (close to 26 mpg mostly highway driving) but I see a lot of messages from people claiming higher mileage.
Am concerned taking a step down with non-turbo from my Altima Hybrid which is quite peppy (0 - 60 in around 8) plus has a 20 gallon tank which will take me well over 600 miles easily & average upwards of 35 mpg. I had 05 Outback a few years ago & it seems to non-turbo Forester has about the same get up and go. Could get the turbo for approx $1500 more, or around $27,500
Any comments from owners out there telling me the truth with real world gas mileage would be greatly appreciated. Not what the computer says, cause they always indicate higher than actual mpg.
I will be going to dealer on Saturday morning to consumate the deal so any and all comments regarding pricing, mileage, and any other experiences would be greatly appreciated. Also, I read over 100 messages on Edmunds.com consumer reviews and quite a few commented on noises and rattles on the vehicle. Anyone out there with similar experiences?
Lastly any comments on extended warranties. I have had them on last three cars, including 05 Outback and 06 Tribeca, but never kept the vehicles long enough to use them (turned them in & got partial credit back) I assume a 5 year, 100,000 mile classic warranty will run around $1500?
I got too Saturday morning to everyone with comments please respond!!!
#2429 of 3625 Re: Some response, quickly pleaswe!!! [occking]
Mar 06, 2009 (12:56 pm)
Our 09 Limited with everything except NAV is currently getting about 24 mpg in mixed driving in the suburbs. It does much better on trips (27-30) but we tend to use our Minivan for very long trips.
I had a 98 model before, and I really like the fact that Subaru went to a 16.9 gallon fuel tank for the 09 models. I know it doesn't sound like much, but the old one was 15.9 and the extra gallon means an extra day or two between every fill-up.
You'll get 350-400 miles out of a tank if it's not all city driving, which is a whole lot better than my Miata, for instance (just 250 miles and I'm gas shopping).
That's not hybrid-levels of range, but then again none of the cute utes have 20 gallon gas tanks, either. Even the hybrid Escape has a smaller tank than the Forester, and highway mileage isn't any better so you're not really getting any more range.