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Re: is this a good price, any pros/cons? [sgloon] by weverhat
Sep 09, 2008 (5:38 pm)
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Replying to: sgloon (Sep 09, 2008 3:25 pm)

Well, I got an offer from another dealer. I'll call this dealer #4. They were able to give me an exact quote on a factory order. They quoted me about the same price as dealer #1 ($800 below invoice), but because the sales tax in dealer #4's county is 1% lower, dealer #4's out-the-door price ended up about $300 lower. This is looking pretty attractive to me. The only concern I have is what if the 4.9% financing currently available goes up by when I take delivery?
 
It will probably come down to either this latest offer (dealer #4) if I want to do a factory order, or the dealer who currently has the car (dealer #2) if I want the car right away.
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Re: is this a good price, any pros/cons? [weverhat] by weverhat
Sep 09, 2008 (7:49 pm)
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Replying to: weverhat (Sep 09, 2008 5:38 pm)

One last update from tonight's negotiations. After several email exchanges with dealer #3 (the one who said they could beat the price on a factory order if I came in), I still could not get an exact quote out of them. So I told them that I had an exact quote from dealer #4 on a factory order, and would likely go with dealer #4 since dealer #3 still hadn't given me a quote. After sending that email I finally got a quote from dealer #3 on the factory order - it was only a few dollars less than dealer #4's price.
 
Dealer #4 gave me a quote right away, whereas it took over 10 emails to get a quote out of dealer #3. Also, dealer #3 was requiring a $1,000 deposit on the factory order whereas dealer #4 was requiring only a $500 deposit. So I thanked dealer #3 for their time but told them I was inclined to go with dealer #4 since their offers were only a few dollars apart.
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Re: is this a good price, any pros/cons? [weverhat] by weverhat
Sep 09, 2008 (10:16 pm)
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Replying to: weverhat (Sep 09, 2008 7:49 pm)

One last thing. I find it kind of curious that the two dealers who are quoting me on a factory order are both $500 to $1000 below the lowest prices of the three dealers who have the vehicle in their inventory. I thought there would be less negotiating room on a factory order than a car in stock. Is it because the dealers pay interest on the cars on their lot, so the three who have the car in stock have a higher cost? Still, you would think that would be added incentive for them to lower their price rather than continue to pay interest until the car sells. The X limiteds are the most popular model it seems, whereas the XTs I have been tracking have been sitting for awhile.
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Re: is this a good price, any pros/cons? [weverhat] by sgloon
Sep 10, 2008 (8:04 am)
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Replying to: weverhat (Sep 09, 2008 10:16 pm)

The money that the dealer is charged by Subaru to have the car on it's lot to sell is paid back to them after it is sold. This allows the dealers to mark up the invoice price on the car with it looking ligit.
 
Good choice on saying goodbye to dealer #3. They might be hard to deal with in the future, given what it took to get a quote out of them.
 
You might ask dealer #4 if they would be able to honor the 4.9% when you get your car (or take a better deal if it is offered at the time?). Or you could check with a bank? To see what they are offering. Their rates tend to change more often...
 
Otherwise, as the exact car you want is available, you can weight the difference in total cost with the difference in what you might pay if the interest rates go up...or down. FYI, the Subaru interest rate was 4.5% in May and June. It has stayed steady at the 4.9% since July.
 
Good work checking things out.
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Re: is this a good price, any pros/cons? [weverhat] by victor_pv
Sep 10, 2008 (8:57 am)
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Replying to: weverhat (Sep 09, 2008 10:16 pm)

I would forget about dealer #3, they didn't want to provide a quote because they knew it wouldn't be so good, so they just wanted you to close the deal with them.
It is crazy to ask you place a factory order and give a deposit without even providing a quote...
About the difference between the dealers that have the car in stock, and those that have to place the factory order, maybe there are more differences than just that. Perhaps some of them have some incentives from the factory, or need to sell a number of cars this month, or something else.
Apart of dealer #3, that seems quite tricky, I think you should decide if you want the car now, or want to wait 60 days or more for it.
I was waiting 3 months for my factory order to arrive, and at the end the dealer offered me another car from their lot with more extras for the same price, because they didn't know how much longer it would take... so if you place a factory order you should be prepared to wait more than 60 days.
About interest rates and incentives, nobody knows what will happen in 2 or 3 months, but this car is selling really fast, so Subaru will not offer any incentive in a few months, until they see they need an incentive to sell them. When I ordered my car they were selling well, and the dealer offered me to have any incentive at the time of delivery, but 3 months later nothing changed.
I think your best bet is to think the rate and incentives will stay more or less the same, so the difference is between taking a car now from the lot, or waiting 60 days to get one ordered for you, not a big difference if you don't mind to wait 2 or 3 months, so the final price that they offered is what makes the difference.
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Re: is this a good price, any pros/cons? [weverhat] by p0926
Sep 10, 2008 (9:17 am)
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Replying to: weverhat (Sep 09, 2008 10:16 pm)

I thought there would be less negotiating room on a factory order than a car in stock
 
No it costs the dealer the least amount to be able to sell a car before it even leaves the factory.
 
-Frank
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Re: is this a good price, any pros/cons? [weverhat] by ateixeira
Sep 10, 2008 (10:36 am)
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Replying to: weverhat (Sep 09, 2008 7:49 pm)

I'd have gone with #4 also. I bet #3 would have had some unpleasant surprises on settlement day.
 
Always go with the upfront/honest dealer.
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Re: is this a good price, any pros/cons? [weverhat] by gsid
Sep 11, 2008 (11:50 am)
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Replying to: weverhat (Sep 09, 2008 7:49 pm)

Hi Weverhat,
                           I am also interested in a limited, I am in Seattle area.
Will love to hear the exact configuration of your vehicle and where at u are. $800 below invoice sounds a very good deal, I read thru previous posts and on average folks were getting $300-400 below invoice. Pl post details when you have clinched the deal.
Good luck.
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Re: is this a good price, any pros/cons? [gsid] by weverhat
Sep 11, 2008 (5:36 pm)
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Replying to: gsid (Sep 11, 2008 11:50 am)

OK, here's another question, which I think I found the answer to by reading another thread, but I'll ask it anyways.
 
Is the sales tax based on the dealer's location, or where I live? I read that it is based on where you live. I knew that there were issues if you were buying out of state. But if you are buying in the same state, just in another county, why is the tax based on where you live? Anything else you buy at a store in another county, you pay the sales tax for that county.
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Re: is this a good price, any pros/cons? [weverhat] by weverhat
Sep 11, 2008 (7:03 pm)
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Replying to: weverhat (Sep 11, 2008 5:36 pm)

Last post for tonight probably. I have gotten some funny responses from dealers after I informed them of the lowest quote I had received and asked them if they could beat it. Here are some of them:
 
- "Did you want a turbo? I have a feeling the other dealer quoted you on a non-turbo" (don't tell me you're the internet manager and you don't even know that the "T" in "XT" stands for turbo...)
 
- "Don't accept that offer yet. I think I can do better, but I have to check the numbers after I am back in the office tomorrow" (I haven't heard back from this one yet...)
 
- "I can beat that. Let me know when you decide which dealership you want to work with"
 
- "They will hardly make anything at that price. I find it hard to believe they would do that, especially on a factory order"
 
Here is one of my favorites, the initial automated response I got from them said that they were a "no hassle dealership" and that they "cut right down to the bottom line price" and that there was "no back and forth from the manager". That sounded promising, I thought. After I emailed them with my lowest quote, I got this response:
 
- "That dealer is probably planning on marking up the interest rate to make more profit." (they didn't provide me a quote but promised to beat the low offer... so much for "cutting right down to the bottom line" and "no back and forth").
 
Oh, and of course there was the dealer who guaranteed they could beat any other dealer's quote, but when I told them the low quote I had, they said they wouldn't be able to trade for the vehicle. Funny, I told them exactly the vehicle I wanted when I first contacted them, it didn't seem to be a problem then that they didn't have the vehicle I wanted in stock when they guaranteed they could beat any other price.

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