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Re: Buying New Forester [sub_lisa]
by jeffmc
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Aug 23, 2008 (9:49 pm)
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Replying to: sub_lisa (Aug 23, 2008 4:13 pm)
sub_lisa & rengaw -- Carter is good... I'd highly recommend buying from their internet manager rather than walking onto the lot. I've purchased 4 Subarus from Carter, always had good pricing and always been treated well. I've also referred family and friends there, and all have been pleased. If you buy online, it's a no-haggle price, take it or leave it, absolutely no pressure, and there's no harassing follow-up. Some folks are a little bothered by how hands-off they are, ironically. They're one of the country's largest volume Subaru sellers. From my experience their service dept does good work, has free loaners, has amazingly early and late hours (open 7 days/wk, too), and they've got a convenient no-appointment oil change & tire facility next door, but the trade-off is somewhat expensive service dept. I hate to sound like a commercial. 
Anyway, feel free to e-mail me for more details if you'd like, or if you have any questions. You can get my address my clicking on my name in the post title. Good luck to you both... new Forester seems great!
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Re: Buying New Forester [sub_lisa]
by bobfox3
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Aug 23, 2008 (10:15 pm)
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Replying to: sub_lisa (Aug 23, 2008 4:13 pm)
sub lisa - i've got a ton of experience buying new cars and internet pricing has made it ten times easier. i don't know what the seattle dealerships are willing to sell the forester for but you should have a target price before contacting anyone. first, be sure of the car you want and your willingness to commit to the purchase. test drive the car locally to be sure, but don't let them force you to make an offer - especially on a car that has options you don't want - they will try to get you to buy a car off their lot rather than order the perfect car for you. if you want the forester, decide if it's the plain 2.5x, or the 2.5x premium, or the 2.5x limited, or the turbo (i don't recommend). decide on your options. figure out the invoice price of the car with all options and destination charges (about $665). then, you should be able to get that car for invoice minus about $400-800, depending on the dealership. calculate what the price would be before taxes or dmv fees. find each dealership's website and ask them to give you a price on the car - tell them you're looking to buy it for whatever the price you calculated was. e-mail back and forth telling them what the other dealerships are offering and asking if they'll beat it.
if you're stuck for a good price, you can start dealing with Carr in Beaverton or Wentworth in Portland both of whom will (eventually) give you a great price. that's who i'm dealing with. after that, see if the Seattle dealerships will meet/beat it.
by the way, what type of forester and options are u looking for?
good luck
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- #2186 of 2724
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Re: Buying New Forester [bobfox3]
by mtjc521
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Aug 23, 2008 (10:50 pm)
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Replying to: bobfox3 (Aug 16, 2008 12:21 pm)
I am in northern Oregon and have not dealt with Carr dealership, so no help there no whether they will jack you around. In general, the dealers here seem to ALWAYS charge a "Document Prep Fee" (amount varies) with the fee going to dealer, and dealer claims that the govt requires them to charge it. Verify that with fee with DMV, or just ball up all costs, fees, expenses, dealer shaftings, purchase price, into one big check to exchange for possession of car. Did Carr include that doc fee in quote or plainly state no add-on fees? You can check with Oregon DMV's Dealer Unit and see if any auto dealership has been disciplined or fined or their DMV permit suspended in the past. Pls keep us informed on actual price paid and/or offers made, cuz I am working over the dealers one against the other in this tight market to protect my wallet.
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- #2187 of 2724
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Regarding the purchase from Heuberger Motors
by bpraxis
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Aug 24, 2008 (12:16 pm)
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Hello everyone and I hope that you are having a very nice day.
Does anyone know how Heuberger Motors in Colorado Springs is able to offer the Forrester for below $1000.00 of the invoice inclusive of all dealer fees.
I have Googled complaints about Heuberger and have found nothing negative and only great feedback.
Dealers here in Boise are asking for $500.00 over invoice with no negotiation plus their doc fess which are $299.00.
Are these doc fees legitimate?
With appreciation and kind regards,
Brandon
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Re: Buying New Forester [mtjc521]
by bobfox3
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Aug 24, 2008 (2:11 pm)
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Replying to: mtjc521 (Aug 23, 2008 10:50 pm)
I just ordered my new forester from Wentworth Subaru in Portland. here's our deal - '09 forester 2.5x premium automatic pzev (obsidian black) w/ all weather pkg, premium sound pkg 1, fog lights, all weather floor mats, cargo tray, custom tail pipe covers, rear bumper cover, destination and all dealer fees for a total price of $23,200 plus DMV fees. that should be at least $650 below invoice ($850 if they routinely charge $200 extra for the pzev engine which is required here in Oregon and optional in some states - i don't know for sure - maybe someone can answer that). they are ordering it so it should take 5-8 weeks (maybe less) but i'm not in a hurry. the dealerships down here in southern & central Oregon refused to even come close to their price, claiming they'd be losing a ton of $$ - as if i'd believe them). I'll take the bus one way up to Portland when the car's ready & they'll pick me up at the bus station. they're really trying to make it easy for me. (although i can't say for sure that it's all o.k. until i take possession of the car). at the moment, i'm very satisfied with the deal. let me know how you do. (by the way, the only difference between the Wentworth deal and the Carr deal is that Wentworth added in the rear bumper cover for the same $23,200 price). and by the way, did i mention that there's no sales tax here in Oregon. sweet
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- #2189 of 2724
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Re: Buying New Forester [bobfox3]
by mtjc521
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Aug 24, 2008 (3:38 pm)
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Replying to: bobfox3 (Aug 24, 2008 2:11 pm)
Luck on completing the 09 2.5x purchase. From my own Wentworth Sub experience years ago and from talking to others about Carr Subaru in Oregon, I think Wentworth should be a better place to be treated politely and with less games. That is not to say don't deal with Carr. Just my opinion, without first hand negoitating with Carr. Sounds like you got a great price, and the hassle of riding the bus up to Portland should be worth it.
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- #2190 of 2724
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Re: Buying New Forester [bobfox3]
by chicago2008
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Aug 24, 2008 (6:30 pm)
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Replying to: bobfox3 (Aug 23, 2008 10:15 pm)
bobfox3,
When you say bid below invoice do you mean subaru's invoice price of say the forester 2.5x Limited which is 24,330 +the 665 delivery fee? or do you mean the invoice price that is listed on the window sticker? I've been negotiating with a couple dealers and one went pretty low but I'm not sure if it was low if it wasn't lower than subaru's invoice price... Please let me know what you mean by invoice price.
Thank you!
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Re: How does a person become a VIP member? [kotterman]
by p0926
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Aug 24, 2008 (7:47 pm)
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Replying to: kotterman (Aug 22, 2008 11:48 am)
How does a person become a VIP member in order to automatically get a Forester below invoice? are there organizations that you can join to get this status?
There are a number of organizations that qualify you for Subaru's VIP pricing. I'm sure they're listed on SOA's web site but the International Mountain Bike Association and the International Canoe Association are two that I know of. There is a catch though, you usually have to be a member for at least 6 months in order to qualify.
-Frank
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- #2192 of 2724
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Re: Regarding the purchase from Heuberger Motors [bpraxis]
by p0926
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Aug 24, 2008 (8:01 pm)
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Replying to: bpraxis (Aug 24, 2008 12:16 pm)
Are these doc fees legitimate?
Well there are certainly some costs involved for the dealer in completing the sales paperwork and $299 isn't abnormally high. However, contrary to what the dealer will tell you, those fees are negotiable but it won't be easy to get them to budge on them.
-Frank
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Re: Buying New Forester [bobfox3]
by sub_lisa
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Aug 24, 2008 (9:09 pm)
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Replying to: bobfox3 (Aug 24, 2008 2:11 pm)
Thank you everyone for all of your responses/tips/advice! I really appreciate all the advice. I see that there is a lot of reference to dealer invoice. Where would I be able to get the dealer invoice price for a forester? How do I find out what the dealer invoice price is for the car and the extras. I'd like to get the 09 Forester 2.5X Limited(no Turbo), steel silver metallic, bumper corner molding kit, body side molding kit, all weather floor mats, rear bumper cover, cargo tray, EC mirror compass, luggage compartment cover, and puddle light kit. I'd like to add heated front seats, heated mirror, and the windshield wiper de-icer. What is the pzez engine? Now, I'm a lot less nervous about buying a car....thanks to all your advice. You guys give me a lot more confidence!
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