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Volkswagen Golf, Hatchback
Apr 19, 2004 (10:31 pm)
"VW is so arrogant to think that their cars are "premium" and still have all these quality issues."
Let's hope VW can figure out how to make reliable cars, at least the ones imported from Germany. CR gave the Passat 2.8 the highest reliability rating of all German cars. That's a start.
"Also, to think that people will sit and wait 6 years for a new design today is ridiculous."
6 yrs isn't much. Have you wondered why the Camry/ES300 still rode uncomfortably shallow over deeper bumps for another 10 yrs from '92-02? It's b/c they've been using the same low-tech short-spring platform all this time! Even my '84 Jetta Wolfsburg coupe(just restored) based on the '74 Scirocco rides more comfortably over bumps than any of the low-tech FWD Toyota's from the '90's! While this manual-steering "vintage" VW's stable comfortable ride also provides fun-&-safe tossable handling & good-feeling steering, if only the noise level...
Besides, the new quiet Golf V is a truely new design w/ the Focus-type control-blade rear suspension, so it's level of ride/handling compromise will climb to a new height. While someone in the VW family just figured out how to tune the new electric steering from numb into...
creakid1 "2006 Volkswagen Jetta" Apr 1, 2004 2:07pm
Apr 20, 2004 (9:02 am)
When you consider that a good number of Jetta owners are single and don't have kids, then it doesn't make sense for them to spend the same money and get a midsize car. Some people simply don't want or need a family sized car but they prefer something sportier and more luxurious then your average small car and VW fills that premium small car niche with the Jetta. By your own thought process, one would wonder why someone would buy a BMW 3 series when they can have a full size Avalon......They are two totally different market segments and attract different buyers. Bigger is not always better, as so many Americans think.
Apr 20, 2004 (2:16 pm)
Actually, I think bigger is usually worse.
#47 of 68 Only a genius can engineer a small car
Apr 20, 2004 (2:53 pm)
or a good-handling-car, or both, that rides comfortably.
So far, the base 325i is the champ.
Back in '99, when I told another customer in the Pasadena VW dealer, "I guarantee! You can't find another car (rides)this comfortable at this price(over $19k Jetta)", the salesman was mighty impressed. That's right, while I sat in the back seat during the test drives, even the '99 Avalon didn't ride as calm as the '99 Jetta over bumps/undulations.
Apr 24, 2004 (6:08 pm)
does matter to average buyer. Why do you think VW decided to increase the size of Golf V? I think their marketing folks saw they could sell more golfs this way. I think this is a good decision. Current golf is really tiny. Especially in Texas. I also think that recently redesigned Mazda3 is eating into VW sales. The same concept, extremely well executed, cheaper, larger and with the same quality as Jetta/Golf.
#49 of 68 (interior)Size does matter to average buyer.
Apr 26, 2004 (11:53 am)
The Golf V needs a bit more over the Golf IV's rear leg room, which was shrunken INTENTIONALLY from the earlier generations. Any 3rd-world version would not tolerate this kind of waste. That's why there's the roomy version of the Golf/Jetta IV -- the Skoda Octavia.
The current Passat also lost leg room to the previous generation, but China Passat & Skoda Superb simply added their own wheelbase inches.
Even I, 5'11", had no problem fitting into both the front & back of my pre-'85 Rabbit/Jetta I.
Car companies purposely shrink their cars once while, as they can't just let the Golf growing in size continuously so no one will buy the Passat any more, especially the Golf is already quiet & comfy.
The Volvo S80 costs a lot, so all the cheaper Volvo's are required to come w/ a cramped back seat. Heck, the old affordable Volvo 200 series got excess leg room even w/o FWD's packaging efficiency!
& of course, w/ FWD packaging, a 173"-long '84 Camry has enormous amount of rear leg room.
#50 of 68 Golfs and Jettas
Apr 28, 2004 (3:18 pm)
My understanding is that all new-chasis Jettas/Boras will be made in Mexico and imported to US and EU. This is a change in VW strategy and I would hope that they can concentrate effort into ensuring a high quality product this way. It also makes sense as the Jetta sells better in NA and the Golf sells better in EU. It seems unclear when GolfV will be made in Mexico or Brazil so maybe we will only get more expensive GTI's from EU initially.