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#1291 of 2128 Air conditioning, etc.
Jun 14, 2005 (5:35 pm)
I've been reading alot of the posts here, and thought I'd weigh in on a few of the recurring topics.
We bought our '04 Quest last summer, and from the very start were disappointed with the cooling of the a/c. Tepid, at best, when outside temps were above 80 degrees. Not what I'd have expected from a new car I'd just spent ~ $25K on. We never experienced the "hot air out the floor vents" problem, just that the air blowing out the vents was not anywhere close to cool enough. We live in Texas, and the summers can be unbearably warm. A/C is not an option for us with small children.
Anyway, we brought the thing back in probably 4 times through the end of the summer and into fall. Each time we were told (courteously!) something different: the system was low on freon but no leaks were detected; the system was cooling to specs but that the cubic feet in the van just took longer to cool off; that everything checked out, but that they'd put dye into the system to see if the thing were leaking; that the new freon didn't cool as well, etc. etc. (sigh) We were growing more frustrated by the day. Oddly enough, I'd also on occasion hear a faint "beep" while driving when the a/c was turned on. There were no associated lights with the sound, nor were the beeps the "normal" louder ones that you hear with the auto doors, etc. It was very soft, and seemed to occur consistently when I accelerated past about 42 mph, and sometimes at speeds into the 60s, but never when the a/c was off. Ordinarily just one beep. Strange, huh? Anyway, soon enough the cooler fall/winter rolled around, and the lack of cooling became less of an issue.
Well, spring/summer comes this year, and we quickly discovered that our nemesis, the faulty a/c, had returned. By this time, I had immediately returned to my previous level of aggravation, and was at my wit's end. I was due for an oil change, etc., so I called 800-nissan1 (or whatever the number is) and quizzed them about the a/c in advance. They were very nice, and advised me to take the van in, and while it was still in the shop, to call them back with the case number they assigned to my complaint. They would then contact some regional supervisor or other such person, who would in turn call the dealership and "consult" with them. Seemed like smoke being blown up my skirt, but I followed their directions anyway. When I brought it in to the dealership's shop, I went a little on the offensive, telling them that I just didn't believe that this level of cooling met ANY person's (quality control's) reasonable definition of functional air conditioning. Circulation was not a problem, I continued, but the temperature of the air coming out of the vents was. I wanted them to know that their opportunities to satisfy THIS customer were quickly running out, and that I had heard all their bunk before and was not buying it. I think I even said something like if this time didn't get it, I was about to start raising hell with Nissan b/c I could get no satisfaction from the dealer.
I'm happy to report that the goofy thing finally is cooling. The invoice said something like a lower ______ was loose (I will try to find the exact wording they used and re-post it later). Don't know why they couldn't fix it before, but my patience finally paid off, and they thankfully got it fixed. Funny thing is, the faint beep also stopped. Could it have been a warning of some sort for a freon leak??? Go figure.
We also experienced the extremely sluggish starts on random occasion--almost like the silly thing was starting off in a higher gear. After you get up to speed, you're fine, but no passing downshift, and no shifting to get up to highway speed. I guess it resets itself after killing and restarting the engine. They could not duplicate the problem, but told me to leave it running and bring it in the next time it happened. Not a far drive if I'm in town, so I plan on doing it.
They also repaired an annoying 3rd seat rattle (didn't know that was the problem until I saw the TSB on it).
Overall, we really love the van, the smooth ride, etc. We just felt like we were getting duck-bitten to death (except for a/c which WAS a major deal) with several little things wrong. If they can work out the kinks for 2005, I would even recommend it.
One more thought. We added an aftermarket DVD player in the ceiling. Worked great except alot of interference when the radio/cd player was on. We hadn't noticed it because the audio is through wireless headphones, and our kiddos hadn't told us (could they have missed it???). Circuit City was going to pull the thing out to send it in for diagnosis. I just happened to be monkeying with the radio one day before we took it in for removal, and I turned off the "rear controls" for the radio. Immediately the interference through the headphones disappeared. We decided to leave the rear control off permanently, and now everyone is happy.
One last thing: the "pod o' control" does take a little getting used to, and the speedometer, etc. also being in the middle is weird at first. One quickly grows accustomed to it, however, so don't let that alone influence your decision.
#1292 of 2128 Re: Goodyear Eagle LS2 tire wear prematurely
Jun 15, 2005 (6:55 pm)
Well, I looked into alternative replacement tires. If you own a SL model, your tires are 225/65/16 (Goodyear Eagle LS2). If you own a SE model, your tires are 225/60/17 (Goodyear Eagle LS - I think).
For the SL model owners (like me), Nissan really screwed us with this because this tire is the only one on the market with this size. There are no other brands on the market that have this size. I am thinking 215/65/16 will work as a replacement. The diameter is the same, but the width is short 10mm but should work for this rim. With this size, you have plenty of choices. You can also consider 225/60/16, but the diameter will differ and effect your speedometer and mileage slightly.
#1293 of 2128 Air conditioning, etc
Jun 15, 2005 (7:01 pm)
Pepperman - if possible, can you find out more as to the fix because i have experienced similar AC problem. As for your 3rd seat rattle, did they perform the fix as per the TSB - replace both latches.
#1294 of 2128 Re: Air conditioning, etc [cirruss]
Jun 15, 2005 (8:38 pm)
I gave them a copy of the TSB with my list of things I wanted done. I can only guess that they acted pursuant to it. Whatever they did, it stopped the rattle (they may have just put duct tape on it!)
Now that I look at my invoice, it would appear that the technician only "adjusted" the rear seat latches. I'm okay with it so long as the rattle stopped, which it did.
As for the A/C, all I can say is hang in there and be persistent!!!!! Remember, mine took about 4-5 times in to get it (finally!) fixed.
My invoice reads as follows: RECOVER AND EVACUATED SYSTEM AND RECHARGE FOUND THAT LOW SIDE VALVE WAS LEAKING TIGTH [sic] UP COOLING BETTER AT THIS TIME.
Sort of cryptic notes, I know, but if you and your technician can make anything of it, maybe it's worth a try. Ours was repaired 12 days ago, and we've had several days since then in the 90s, with 100s expected tomorrow and through the weekend. It seems to be holding its own, and keeping us cool.
BTW, a friend of mine in my same town bought a Quest about a month after we did, and his a/c works (and has always worked) fine. I can only guess, then, that it is NOT a design flaw with all the Quests, but something wrong with the individual vehicle--good for us b/c there is hope of a fix!
Good luck, my friend!
#1295 of 2128 Re: Air conditioning, etc
Jun 15, 2005 (9:01 pm)
Thanks for the info. The cars A/C usually has a high and low side. The low side is the return line back to the compressor. Guess they found a leak on your return line and fixed it.
As for the 3rd row seat, mine rattled and they wrapped the latch with foam tape but later saw the TSB from Nissan stating that the latches should be replaced. I will prob remove that foam tape and bring in the TSB so they can fix it right.
#1296 of 2128 Re: Air conditioning, etc [pepperman]
Jun 16, 2005 (6:13 am)
Hello there. Good to hear all these informative posts. I had the exact same problems with my A/C that you did pepperman. During 80 degree weather and above, the A/C felt lukewarm at best. I had them refill the freon and all was fine for a week or so. Then once again, the cooling disappeared. They gave me the same song and dance about it cooling to normal specs. They ran a UV leak test and did not find anything. The single beep sound you heard from your car is definitely present on mine as well. I thought that was normal but I guess it might not be. I will have them take a look at what they did for your car and I hope this resolves the issue. I think this will be my third or fourth trip trying to get them to resolve the A/C problem. Thanks for the helpful information.
#1297 of 2128 Re: The drama continues [plashenick]
Jun 16, 2005 (6:51 pm)
Just curious, did you have to pay to have the rotors re-surfaced or did the dealer do it under warrenty? Had the front rotors replaced on my '04 SL 4200 miles, now have warped again at 16500 and the dealer says it is normal wear and tear.
#1298 of 2128 Re: Whistle noise from the drive rear view mirror [quest0804]
Jun 17, 2005 (10:19 am)
My 2005 Quest is currently at the dealership and has been for a week. I definitely have this annoying whistle sound coming from mine. They took the mirror off and it is not coming from the mirror. Bad news is they don't have a clue as to where it is coming from... If you got yours fixed let me know what it was.
#1299 of 2128 Re: The drama continues [plashenick]
Jun 17, 2005 (12:52 pm)
You had the rotors re-surfaced at 4200 and now at 16500. That's crazy! What symptoms are you experiencing? Is the dealer certain that it's warped. Every time you machine the rotors it will get thinner and thinner, and less metal mass and therefore warp easier and easier.
My van has a problem with steering wheel vibration, and sometimes steering wheel shakes uncontrollably when braking (only sometimes). I am drawing my own conclusion that most of this is due to the garbage tires that came with the van. The tires may be out of round and making driving experience terrible. I am not ready to let the dealer machine my rotors until I am confident that my brakes always pulses when braking.
I actually have a friend that works at Nissan in the service department, and he tells me certain Nissan models (Titan) do have a rotor warp problem, but he hasn't seen any Quest come in with this problem. By the way, I also have a 95 Honda Accord with 160,000miles and still on the original rotors, and it brakes smooth....so for the dealer to say this is regular maintenance...BS, and where is it Nissan's maintenance schedule that the rotors need to machined every year!!!??! You should ask your service advisor "Do you and all your coworkers machine your rotors on your car every year?"
Jun 17, 2005 (7:08 pm)
I have had mine resurfaced (only) at 16,500. It is 'mwokes' that had it twice.
I did not pay for this, but under NJ Law everything is covered - no matter what - until 18,000.
If dealer wants to charge know your rights and your state's laws