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#8961 of 12040 Begining Negotiating for Acura TL - Questions
Mar 21, 2008 (5:19 am)
Great forum - on for the first time today. A few questions:
We test drove a TL last weekend and fell in love. The only hesitation is that the model look will change a lot this summer as the 2009 is reportedly going to change significantly. We keep our vehicles 5 years or so (this will replace a 2003 Camry XLE that was loaded even nav back then). A little fear that this model will look real old in 2013 when we go to sell it. I am assuming the $2000 dealer incentive is because of the model change and the model change will be significantly more expensive (AWD, etc,). If it is a lot more money the new model will probably be out of our price range anyway.
Is this a correct assumption or will their be dealer incentives this summer on the newer style?
One of my thoughts is not to haggle on financing and just pay off the note within the first month or two. That way the dealer can make some margin on selling my note. Does anyone know if Acura financing has any pre-payment penalties? Are there any additional costs to create the finance paperwork. I realize a dealer has to make some money somewhere and I want to negotiate the cleanest deal I can - Then sell my Camry afterwards in the 30 days following (we get temp plates here in NH). Have sold many cars on Ebay and CL, etc so no fear there. My thought process is to attempt a deal for a TL with Nav at $2500 - $3000 under invoice (is this possible) and then to list the add-ons I want at the prices I have found online - from links provided here. I figure the lowest online price must still provide a profit for the seller and then consider them all installed for free (not sure if that is realistic). The accessories we want are: Wing Spoiler, Moonroof Visor, body side and door trim moldings, splash guards, trunk trays and wheel locks and an actual platinum warranty from Acura for 7 years, 100,000 miles (find this useful when reselling the car at the 5 year mark (camry has the typical 60K on it for example).
Realistically - what charges after the below invoice deal can the dealer legitamately add to the price - destination? there is no tax in NH and the title is probably pretty inexpensive. Any thoughts on my approach? Will probably email it to the dealers in New England and see who bites...
#8962 of 12040 Re: How much to pay for chromed wheels? [pghaltima]
Mar 21, 2008 (12:00 pm)
why do you not think they would sell a TL-S for 22-23k?
I know they ask more but I think their asking prices are a JOKE!
I see USED TL-S listings asking for $35k or $36k on a car with 15k miles.... not just delusional private party ads, but dealers. dealers who took them in trade.. i mean a NEW one would sell at 32-33 MAX if you know what you're doing.
trade in on a used TL-S is in the low low 20s. go try to trade in your TL-S and see what they offer you. i promise you it won't be 28k...
kbb.com says trade in for an "excellent" 2007 TL-S with 15k is $22-26k. I've always foudn those figures to be way high...you usually get the BOTTOM on a trade...so a traded in TL-S is gonna net around 22k at best for a trade. maybe 23k...but no dealer is gonna give someone 26k on a trade with 15k when a NEW 08 sells at 32....
with the market going south...some dealer might just unload the car he got at wholesale. i've done it before.
i'm gonna start lowball offerin on used TL-S to see what they say. I bet if you are ON THE LOT and tell them you will BUY IT NOW at $22500.... but not a cent more and then when they try to get you UP to a 28 or 29k and you say "goodbye".... they will either let you walk to say "ok". it all depends on how bad they want to move that car.
\why apy 32 for a new one when i could pay 22 for an almost new one.
#8963 of 12040 What is a good deal for a Base TL in Dallas, TX
Mar 21, 2008 (2:21 pm)
I got a quote for a Base TL ( No NAV or Options) for $29,706 + TTL and Options in Dallas, TX.
Is this a good deal? Edmunds.com listed the TVM of this car at 32K.
I am in no hurry to buy one...thought I would start getting some quotes.
#8964 of 12040 Re: TL-S resale value
Mar 21, 2008 (3:50 pm)
So let's say the '09 trickle in at the end of this summer? How much more can the TL depreciate? i'm thinking in the $27-29K range but it could also depend on how well the '09 TL is received. If the 'base '09 TL is not sporty enough, then people might jump on the 3G TL-S b/c a type S model is probably 3-4 years out of the way for the 4G TL. By the end of '08, the 3G TL-S's may drop to $25K? Does anyone know historical data or resale values when a new model is introduced? If you can buy a 3G TL-S for $25K and the '09's are selling for $40K, that is a pretty good deal...
#8965 of 12040 Actual invoice for type S ?
Mar 21, 2008 (5:51 pm)
Does anyone know what the true invoice price is for the type S including destination and then subtracting the $2,000 dealer cash. Everything I have seen is that it is 33,832 (33,117 + 715 dest).
I have had 2 different dealers tell me that invoice is $34,132 so I am not sure if this is correct or if it really is 300 over invoice.
#8966 of 12040 Re: Actual invoice for type S ? [erving6]
Mar 22, 2008 (9:09 am)
Everywhere I've seen it would be $35,832 (incl. the $715 dest) so with the dealer cash it would be $33,832. And I've talked to a couple people who agreed that this is the invoice price.
#8968 of 12040 Re: Actual invoice for type S ? [spinecho1]
Mar 22, 2008 (4:26 pm)
I doubt there will be all this dealer incentive cash for the new models, so that may be a consideration. It was for me.
#8969 of 12040 Re: Actual invoice for type S ? [riorebel]
Mar 22, 2008 (4:35 pm)
One dealer told me that the new model was expected to come out in September 2009...
The dealer cash is currently set to expire on April 30th...does anyone thing they'll extend it?
#8970 of 12040 Re: Begining Negotiating for Acura TL - Questions [zoomer602]
Mar 24, 2008 (7:50 pm)
My wife and I had the same experience, drove the car, fell in love and then shopped for the best deal. We negociated with numbers from 1 dealer to the next. Finally settled the on 1 dealer and closed the deal for $388./mo. lease with $1,600 out of pocket.
We are waiting for the dealer to get our car in which should be in about 2 weeks.