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Re: OTD and Doc fee [frisconick] by delmar1
Jul 16, 2005 (7:14 pm)
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Replying to: frisconick (Jul 16, 2005 7:01 pm)

rroyce10....yeap....frisconick was able to explain how they make money below 'invoice'. Remember....invoice is 'dealer cost' before any incentives such as hold backs...and includes coverage of commisions.
 
So...if you buy though an alternate channel such as through the 'internet' or 'fleet' manager...he has a totally different dealer cost structure...and in reality is still making money even if it is below 'dealer cost'.
 
In addition...if you are at the end of month...that additional car sold below 'invoice' may still be rewarding. They could perhaps hit an incentive plateau which is more rewarding. Or they his a volume threshold where the dealership can grab additional cars onto the lot. Many factors.
 
You sure cannot feel bad for them as they are still making money...or why else would they deal?
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Re: OTD and Doc fee [delmar1] by frisconick
Jul 16, 2005 (7:20 pm)
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Replying to: delmar1 (Jul 16, 2005 7:14 pm)

I agree they make money regardless, but invoice is not wholesale.
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Re: OTD and Doc fee [nightcrawler29] by delmar1
Jul 16, 2005 (7:23 pm)
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Replying to: nightcrawler29 (Jul 15, 2005 9:38 pm)

nightcralwer29....I not only expect to strike a great deal but also to get proper customer service.
 
The cars which I have been able to purchase below invoice or general market pricing have been where I deal with the 'fleet' or 'internet' manager. You are absolutely correct that they are on a totally different commission structure...so that even if they are selling their car below invoice...they are still earning their commissions. Otherwise...why else would they sell to me?
 
I have been fortunate to been able to not only get great pricing...but excellent customer service. I bought two Acuras from Norm Reeves Acura in Temecula and they not only gave me a great price....but also allowed me to spend pretty much three hours each tinkering around with test drives and dorking around with color combos. I was treated well...my trade was not demeaned like so many other dealers...with full courtesy. I was not punted around person to person..but was with the fleet mgr from beginning to the handoff of the keys. Now...is that expected customer service? Yes.
 
So...if you want a great price...as I have suggested....go with the internet / fleet manager. And if you do not get excellent customer service....move on to other dealers.
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Re: OTD and Doc fee [drhead] by nightcrawler29
Jul 16, 2005 (7:24 pm)
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Replying to: drhead (Jul 16, 2005 8:00 am)

well drhead, it pretty much depends on what the prices are in your location. If it is to save $200 bucks only, I would think twice on flying to another city to pick it up, and I think its not worth it in that case. I just bought my TL w/nav last Tuesday, and checked prices all around my city including dealers in Houston, San Antonio, Dallas, and my own location in Austin. Most dealers where charging me $500 to $600 more than the dealer I bought the car from. So I reached an agreement with the dealer, and took a flight to Dallas the next day (airfare was $107.20), then I drove the car back to Austin for 4 hours and put close to 200 miles on it. I didn't lease the car, but purchased it, so I'm not that concerned about the mileage, and to me it was worth the trip there.
 
If you can't get your local dealers to give you a better price than other dealers in other cities, then you must look at all your options and see what works better for you. For a difference of $200 I don't think its worth it, because at least $100 of those savings go towards the airfare.... and are you really going to travel to save $100?? And one important thing to do when dealing over the internet: Never tell them where you are located, because your local dealers won't negotiate the price that much, and the dealers in other cities know you will go see your local dealers once you get a quote from them... so I think its better to tell them you are located in a town where there are no Acura dealers nearby.
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Re: OTD and Doc fee [rroyce10] by nightcrawler29
Jul 16, 2005 (7:43 pm)
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Replying to: rroyce10 (Jul 16, 2005 4:05 am)

There are some incentives or rebates that dealers get from manufacturers for selling their cars. Sometimes dealers are able to make money even if sold at invoice price, due to the money incentives they get.
 
Also, this is my personal opinion, and I'm not sure what y'all think about this, but to me, one thing is the so called "invoice price" that's being released to the public through the internet, and another thing is the real invoice price dealers pay for the cars. Also its hard to believe that with all the advances in technology as applied to mass poduction, and development of cheaper and safer materials, we are still paying $35K something dollars for a car. The car business is good business, especially for dealers, who have different ways of presenting their products according to supply and demand.
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Re: OTD and Doc fee [nightcrawler29] by frisconick
Jul 16, 2005 (7:50 pm)
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Replying to: nightcrawler29 (Jul 16, 2005 7:43 pm)

A good investment is to get the Consumer Reports Car Buying Kit. That way you will find out the car's wholesale price to the dealer, invoice, hold back etc. You show that to a dealer and the negotiations are very limited and in your favor.
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Re: OTD and Doc fee [delmar1] by nightcrawler29
Jul 16, 2005 (7:58 pm)
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Replying to: delmar1 (Jul 16, 2005 7:23 pm)

Yes Delmar1, dealing with the internet/fleet manager is diferent than dealing with a sales person on the floor. If you simply drop into the dealership and tell the sales man you will buy the car at invoice, the sales man won't be happy about that, because he still has to show you the car, and do all the work, in exchange for $0 commission.
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I really need help. 05 TL 6-speed w/ navi by jsb79
Jul 16, 2005 (10:20 pm)
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Hi, My name is james.
 I'm living in Louisiana, and trying to buy 05 TL 6-speed w/navigation sys black/ebony with all under body spoilers , rear wing spoiler, body side molding, backup sensor, and tint. It's actually pretty tough to find one like that in my area. I've been look all dealers in Louisiana and Houston, TX but they don't have one. They all told me that I have to make a $500.00 deposit and order it. Dealers at Houston told me, it will take about 2weeks. One from Baton Rouge, LA told me 4wks, and Beaumont, TX told me 8 weeks And all the installation fee was so much different from Houston and Baton Rouge. One dealership from Houston actually charge $900 for install $1,073 of front, side, and back under body spoiler.
It was amazing to hear what they told me after that is actually discounted price.
Since it's high demand, they won't be able to negotiating with me. Even though I will pay CASH up front. They said it's not really effect that i am paying up front cash or not. Is that true? I always thought if i pay all cash i could get much better deal from dealers. And, Just because I have to order one from them. Is that mean all the chances are I can't be negotiating for?
What will be my option then? should i just look more from other cities?
And also , Gillman Acura ,Houston told me I shouldn't be trusting dealers from small city like Louisiana, because they will sell car with false stickers. I don't understand what false stickers they were talking about. And Is it can be true??
I was so frustrated because they told me they will hard to discount me for penny when it's like high demand.
Please help me out here everyone.
I really want BLACK 6 speed TL so bad
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Re: I really need help. 05 TL 6-speed w/ navi [jsb79] by frisconick
Jul 17, 2005 (9:19 am)
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Replying to: jsb79 (Jul 16, 2005 10:20 pm)

I think you are getting the run around. I am not sure about getting a black with eboney interior, that might be the problem. I bet if you are willing to go with a more standard interior (what ever that is) you should negotiate on a black, and then negotiate for the extras separately. The extras are pricey, the wing spoiler alone will cost you over $500, but I thought it was worth it because of the weak look of the TL rear IMHO.
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Re: OTD and Doc fee [nightcrawler29] by rroyce10
Jul 17, 2005 (10:00 am)
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Replying to: nightcrawler29 (Jul 16, 2005 7:43 pm)

.. **There are some incentives or rebates that dealers get from manufacturers for selling their cars. Sometimes dealers are able to make money even if sold at invoice price, due to the money incentives they get** ...
 
                       But Acura dealers aren't receiving any incentives from the factory on TL's .. so how does that work.?
 
                                                                                         Terry.

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