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Vchad is 100% right. The Acura dealers are trying to sell the used 07s and 08s for MORE than they sold for when NEW!!! It's insane. I went to my local Acura dealer, they had a gorgeious 2008 TL Type S. 11k miles. it looked like it was new - but it's NOT. it's used. the car sold NEW for $32k. I almost bought oe of these new back in late 08 - adn I had multiple written offers from so cal dealers -= Cerritos AND Tustin, and Keyes - all willing to sell me a BRAND NEW 2008 TL Tpe S for $31,500 + TTL. Yes. a LOT of people got them at this price. read this site, or Acurazine. now, I see Tustin Acura selling two 08 Type S - and they are asking $34k. the car is NOT worth that much. but you know what - some stupid sucker might give it to them. so when I offer them 27k which is what i think is fair, they laugh. i showed them my written offer to buy it new in 08 for $32k. they said there were "incentives" back then, they don't have now. so I guess the car has magically gone UP in value over the last year and a half!! amazing!! i should have bought a fleet of them as an investment!! ha ha ha. the new car market must suck and these guys are now raping people on the used cars? i've also noticed pricing in CA is way higher than in other states... same car?!? but cost of living in CA is higher, so they just jack up the prices b/c they assme there are more people earning more money... My local dealer also has a CPO 2008 TL base w/navi. they want $28999 for it. OMFG!! that car sold NEW for $29k. amazing how now that it has 26k miles on it, it's only depreciated a $1000!! our problem is that the average consumer just sees the price on the sticker, negotiates from there, thinks they got agood deal and the dealer rapes them. if I go in there, armed iwth all the info, and offer them a REAL price - they know that they can reject it, and they might find some sucker to pay $5000 more the next day..hence they pass teh offer up.. so in some ways are we both right?? the car shouldn't be worht these nutty prices they are asking.. BUT if people will pay that much - then doens't that mean it is worth that...if you assume that a car is worth what it can be sold for??? maye I should have bought that 2008 TL type S for $32k last year...if I had, I'd have equity!!!  hahahahaha
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Replying to: cman7 (Jul 15, 2009 2:36 pm) The frustrating part is, this is what bothers me, but its not much we can do, these dealers have the upper-hand on used Acuras because they get it at a discounted rate, and are unwilling to budge on there largely marked up price, knowing, someone WILL pay that price. it seems you've done your work, and thats a very important thing. I was practically pulling my hairout convincing my sister-in-law to buy the new 08 TL at that price of 27.5k, even tho, a USED 07 TL base being advertised on the same dealer lot for 29,999(it sat on there lot for 7 months, before they sold it, guess what price, 28.5(i knew my salesman personally, patient of mine, and shared it with me)). I was telling her, your getting a tremendous value, then she finally saw the light, and bought it. Now with respect to your car, I believe you said its at a non-acura store, been sitting there for some time. I know the new body style isn't impressing you much. Financially, 08 used one, still bothers me they want 26k for it. But in all my years of buying, I bought cars for the joy(but also tried, to make wise financial decisions), but sometimes it is what it is, and if you want it, circumstances/market dictate price. I sincerely still feel, you should suggest to them, "hey a new 08 end of year was selling for 27k, this is used, has 10k miles on it, how about we compromise?" Id suggest maybe 10% reduction compared to 08 should be a minimum. Personally for me bottom line, id go make $24.5k, maybe letting them know, you'll invest in a 1k acura warranty on your own, really making the purchase price 25.5, which seems close to there final agreement with you. in the end, buy what makes you happy, and economicaly wise for you.
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Replying to: 23109vc (Jul 15, 2009 3:04 pm) I'm glad you share my frustration with these used TL's, when such bargains were had last summer. We should have bought a fleet last yr like you said!! there is a dealer in michigan(roseville acura), tried selling me, get this, a new 07 type s, 2008 december, for 3k off sticker. I laughed so hard. he said "doc, we'd be losing money, i need to get owners approval for anymoer"....i knew right then and there, no business for him. When NEW 08 s-types were selling for 6k less sticker. I hope people can really research thorougly armed with evidence, before they step foot in dealers, please dont get taken advantage of. I'm all for a FAIR/GOOD deal, both sides should compromise. |
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Replying to: vchad (Jul 15, 2009 3:06 pm) Yes they are a non-Acura dealer, but it was Acura certified three months ago at thier Acura dealership, which is part of the same owner group. I beleive it sat on the Acura lot,which had low traffic due to the depressed economy in that area of Georgia. I did go over the Carfax carefully. I even asked to see the paperwork for the Acura certification that was done. Everything looked good, in addition to the car driving great. In any event, I am close to your number, so I will give it my best shot. In the end you said it best. " You want what you want ". Just temper it with good economical sense. Thanks Again. |
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Hi, I am buying my first new car and just came to know of this forum. I am planning to buy a 2009 TL w/ tech package in Hoffman Estates, IL area. A neighboring Acura dealership has an Internet price of $35,600 (plus TTL I'd imagine?). So first of all, how does this Internet price work? Does it mean no negotiation? Given that there is a total of $2000 manufacturer to dealer cash back incentive and $35,556 invoice, I really want to start somewhere between $32K-33K with the dealer. Does this make sense or am I being unrealistically low? Also, I assume TTL doesn't include the dealer fee and destination charge. Is that correct? When I make an offer, how do I start? Do I give out the OTD price or the price plus TTL (plus any applicable fees)? Will really appreciate if someone can guide me thru this.
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Replying to: prchohan (Jul 15, 2009 4:50 pm)
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Replying to: kingpcgeek (Jul 15, 2009 8:46 pm)
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Replying to: prchohan (Jul 15, 2009 9:18 pm) first off, the best thing really is, scroll back about 8-9 pages and read all the experiences people have had with the TL, you'll get a sense of what people think is a fair price, and have actually ended up paying. On that note, you should check, what kind of vehicle is being advertised, as always, who cares what they advertise, you offer what you think is fair, dont be intimated, dont let them force you into a deal. Were all here to help you, go shop around, do ur homework, make a fair offer, and if your unsure if its a good deal, ask the people on this forum, tons of helpful people here. Being in chicago area, I have a place out on lakeshore, and even tho i bought my acura in MI, im familiar with acura dealers, like Mcgrath, etc. etc. being your from chicago, id suggest going with Sh-awd. But fwd is just a good car, but sh-awd might be a better choice. Figure out if you want the tech, awd vs. fwd and go from there. i'm not sure of the current TL promotions(not currently active in the market, but im getting car bug to replace my TL, hence i keep an eye out for good deals) dont quote me, look in previous posts, i think Base fwd can be had for around 31. Probably Tech fwd maybe 33, and sh-awd tech, is about 37ish. |
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hey vinodoc! yeah, i posted a ton on acurazine...themods got after me for starting so many thread comparing the TL to other cars.... I think your prices on the new TL are right. I have to say the new TL is growing on me. We took our MDX in for service today and they gave us a new 09 TL w/tech as a loander. we had it overnight and took it out tonight for a drive with the kids. We fit all three kids in the back - 7, 3, 2. the little guy is in a carseat, and the next youngest is in a booster - all fit easily across the back. may want to look into a lease on these things. what is the best deal you have all seen on these??? the dealers selling used 08s are on crack. it almost seem like it is cheaper/smarter to just lease a newer one instead of buying a used one - especially if the dealers are trying to rape us all on the used one. my closest local dealer has a nice looking CPO 08 base w/nav. I took it for a quick test drive today when I dropped off hte MDX. they are asking almost $29k for it. it has 26k miles on it! these things old new for like $29 to $30k at the end of 08. now the car only depreciated a grand??? BS! I could go in and make an offer, but I'd be offering htem like 24-25k MAX and even that seems kinda high to me...but even if I offered htem 25k, I'll bet you they say NO. I'd feel okay paying 23-24k. at that price, the money I'd save would justify buying an "older" model car.... but at 28k... forget that. i'd rather have the new car and just lease it. in the long run, if i buya CPO car and keep it long term - like 6-8 years, it's cheaper to buy/drive the 08..pay it off and drive it into the ground....but you wind up becoming off the warranty, and if you findance 60-72 months, you end up still making car payments when hte warranty is up, and then you paying to repair the car and still making car payments...not good. at least on a lease, you never worry about ANY repairs. just minour routine maintenance.... no brakes, maybe a set of tires when you turn it in? you make a paymenet and rive the car.. now if you buy...you can sell the car at the very end..but c;mon, what'sa n 08 TL gonna be worth in 8 years when you've put 100k miles on it and it's now 9-10 MY old... maybe $5k... which is probalby what you'll spend on tires, brakes, oil changes, timing belts, and the other crap that you fix along the way from when you buy it at say 15-25k miles to 100-125k miles.... so it's a wash... i had fun driving the new TL tonight. it's pretty fast. it doesn't have a huge VTEC kick, but it jus tpulls an dpulls and pulls. not V8 fast...but it's fast enough. it blows my MDX away and seemed about as fast as the 08 Type S I just test drove. the FWD model I had is no sports car, but honeslty, for a DD to just do errands in and to cruise on the freeway, it was plenty decent around turns and the ride is just firm enough but not bumpy and very smooth. the Type S is nice and sporty, but honeslty, on long trips you'll get sick of it... i mean if you like sports cars and the Type S is all you have, it's fun. but if you do it right, you have one car for cruising and one for the twisties. I've got an old boxster that has upgrade suspenion and low profile 18s...that car is twice as stiff as a Type S and woudl run circles around one on any track, twisty roads, etc... but it's not that comfy for a long trip. for a "one car jack of al ltrades" the Thype S is sweet. i'll be thte SH-AWD is similar in that regard. but for REALLY having fun on twisties..you need a real sports car or roadster.. Boxster, Cayman, S2000, 370Z, etc etc... maybe there will be a new TL in my future. whne it first came out I hated it. i though it was the fugliest thing on the road. it's growing on me. tonight, tucked in my garage - it actuallyh looked cool. the one i have is WDP. really good color - at leat in my opinion... oh..tonight when I got to my destination - ther was a WDP TL-S parked like 10 spots away from me..soI couldn't see them 'side by side' b ut I did ge ta chnace to really look at them closely w/in seconds of each other... gotta say the Type S is a sharp looking car, bu tafter you see the new TL, it makes hte Type S and 07-08 TL's look dated... in a couple years...the 3G TL will look old OLD OLD and the new TL will turn heads and be "accepted" as a modern cutting edge style...my wife told me the same thing when it first came out and she was right. the new TL is growing on people and in the end, it will be considered a good looking car. beak and all.
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Replying to: 23109vc (Jul 15, 2009 10:40 pm) took me a while to read all that! Yeah it seems your just as frustrated how these acura dealers are pricing these 08 models, compared to what they sold for new. I mean, it actually makes me furious, and when you seriously call them out on it, they know your well informed, and they laugh at you/mock you, then tell you no way...knowing some innocent people come in, and buy it at a drastic markup. true story, i was at a acura dealer, last yr, getting my oil change done, and there was a young gentleman, super nice guy, and the salesman comes to him saying..."manager wants to move some cars, ill take 500 off the sticker!!" he was like oh is that the best you can do?, salesman says yes...he goes, ok ill take it! i felt horrible for this kid, I very politely pulled him aside, and said, i dont want to meddle, but there is a 3k rebate alone, you should be getting this car for atleast 5k off! he was shocked, and i told him about edmunds, acurazine, he was absolutely clueless that such sites existed. I realized there really are so many people out there, that just dont know about rebates/websites etc. Needless to say, he left the dealer, after he confronted the salesman about it, salesman DENIED such rebates existing, I pulled out my phone, showed edmunds website on it....salesman turned red, manager walked away........well i'm prolly not welcome at that dealer ever again!! (another couple was outside looking at the TL as i was leaving, i told them, pay 6k off sticker, they too had no clue on sale...i only wonder what happened to them! As for the new TL's....i honestly dont know of the best deals, but i think ive seen people mention lease rates around high 400's. I think trying to get a used TL at a bargain is tough, knowing the dealer tactics. TL is one car, id buy/lease new.....buy an extended warranty....run it to the ground, or sell it privately on my own once i get sick of it. i know what you mean about porsche, ive been a lifelong benz owner, wanted to get the SL550 last summer, but with the update they did, dealer only would take 3k off, and i Didn't want the 08 at a bargain rate, just looked age with the older face and interior. So i treated myself to a Porsche 911 carrera cabriolet....msrp 100k, i bought it for 77k. TOO good to pass up! porsche dealer was so desperate to get rid of it, brand new, with 12miles on it. i have to say, after the porsche, every car seems to drive like a boat.
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