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Aug 07, 2003 (11:52 am)
> what does that
Topics rapidly wander here. Not having any type of thread concept on this forum causes that. The nature of posts, especially with titles, make it even worse.
> Now THAT is a new twist
Since when? I've been flying flight simulators since the 80's. My favorite thing to do is to fly using nothing but the instruments, ignoring other data inputs... like sight. Then I'll switch and do the opposite. The result is a very different flight experience.
It is very possible to make driving decisions based on input from alternate sources. If you know the length a turn is, the speed you are traveling at, and the condition of the road, you can determine whether or not you are going to make it... no feeling sensation needed.
Yes, that is very much like a video game. What's your point? Do you just automatically contradict opinions to keep the discussion going?
Some people turn around to verify no one is behind or on their side, other people exclusively rely on mirrors. Either will get the job done.
#60 of 78 Ah, then we are to believe....................
Aug 07, 2003 (12:29 pm)
that when you said "can't FEEL....", you really mean't "I choose not to feel ....". Interesting how your sensory inputs are switchable.
I don't "automatically" respond to any comments, but statements that are illogical, irational, and or inconsistent with fact are hard to resist.
Enough topic drift, this tread isn't about the Prius.
Aug 07, 2003 (12:51 pm)
> you really mean't "I choose not to feel ...."
No, twisting words again... you're attempt to mislead won't work.
"from mechanical operation" is still my point.
And once again, there is nothing to feel from that.
This isn't even remotely on topic anymore, so no further acknowledgement will occur. Choose something relevant to the forum to discuss.
Aug 07, 2003 (1:04 pm)
on Toyota hybrids?
Aug 10, 2003 (11:10 pm)
in the latest issue of MT, they state that Toyota is thinking of bringing out a hybrid Tundra for the '05 model year, when they bring out the next gen of that model. Imagine a full-size pick-up with a 10K-pound towing capacity and fuel economy in the mid-20s (or possibly even more around town)!
This would finally be an application that caters to the hybrids' strengths: diesel-like torque at low speeds.
Aug 12, 2003 (5:23 am)
Apparently GM just developed prototypes for in-wheel motors. The tech is experimental, but if they can get it off the ground and made cheaply, they might be able to give Toyota a run for their money.
Aug 12, 2003 (5:52 am)
Toyota already has a type of in-wheel electric motor. It's used in their hybrid minivan, the Estima (available only in Japan). That's how they make it 4-wheel-drive.
Aug 12, 2003 (7:24 am)
of the in-wheel electrics has GM wavering on whether it wants to pursue the program, doesn't it? With all the plan-changing GM has done on hybrids, I am very curious to see what their first hybrid model looks like that actually makes it to showrooms...
#67 of 78 The thought of what IN-wheel motors ..........................
Aug 12, 2003 (9:59 am)
would do to unsprung mass, and consequently to handling, is disturbing.
Aug 12, 2003 (11:18 am)
John - Sorry, I thought the Estima used additional motors, connected through a half shaft, which is not the same as an in-wheel design. The source describing GM's efforts makes it "seem" like they have something original.
Daysailer - Prototypes and expected uses appear to be truck-baised, not sport cars. Handling is a lesser issue when compared with the supposed benefits of the design.