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#84 of 229 HEY GUYS by mparis1
Dec 03, 2003 (9:41 am)
All Nissan has to do is offer non-xenon replacements for the 2002/2003 maximas. Case closed.people will then have a choice.now they are at the thieves mercy, to steal or pass by. They offer this choice on the 2004 . I wonder why??Also ,think guys about the re-sale valve of these 2002/2003. Who would want them? Either they steal the pop-outs or damage your hood and fender trying. Who the hell would want this car......Let them sit on the used car lots???? No way..Watch Nissan then come out with non-xenons..
Dec 04, 2003 (7:33 am)
tony, your own analogy "Blaming the car owner for parking in the street is like blaming the murder victim for having the nerve to use an atm." is flawed. Blaming Nissan for headlight theft is like blaming the ATM manufacturers because people sometimes get robbed at an ATM.
The thieves are to blame. Period.
Is a bicycle maker to blame because somebody can jump on a bike and ride it away? Is a motorcycle maker to blame because two guys can lift even a locked motorcycle onto a pickup bed and drive off with it?
I will concede that perhaps Nissan used a poor design that allows easier theft. And it is smart business to step up and help owners of their products. Which they are apparently doing in NY/NJ/CT. It is smart for them to respond, but I don't see how they have any liability for thieves.
Your reasoning is quite scary if you extend manufacturer liability to unintended use or theft by criminals for other incidents or products. A manufacturer absolutely should not be liable for criminal use or theft of its product.
#86 of 229 NISSAN FIX by mparis1
Dec 04, 2003 (8:34 am)
Bah humbug!!!!!!. Nissan fix makes it more difficult/time consuming to take out the xenons...but now you land up with hood or fender damage. The thief has no indcation of the fix . So now we land up with body damage, but we kept our lights. Thanks. The only real fix is replacement non-xenons. Nissan can do it, I have heard that Acura went that way.
#87 of 229 Park in another area? Helloooo!!!
Dec 22, 2003 (3:56 pm)
There are good points made by people on both sides, but it's ridiculous to say you should "park in another area" or "where there's no thieves". It's like blaming the Central Park jogger for being raped because it was too dark outside and should have known better.
Also, to the some other posters, if we were aware of the HID thefts do you think we would have bought the car? Hellooooo!
Nissan is not the only one with HID headlights....so why is it almost exclusively a Nissan problem???
On my way to work this morning(I'm in the NE), there was another Nissan sitting in their lot with missing headlights. This epidemic is not coming close to stopping.
Any sell their vehicle? Please share your stories. Thanks.
#88 of 229 Comparable and Reasonable
Dec 25, 2003 (7:22 am)
Simple questions, comparing and reasoning:
a. How easy it is to steal the Nissan Maxima headlights compared with other cars?
b. Among the cars which are comparable to the Nissan Maxima in terms of ease of theft of Xenon headlights, what is being done by those manufacturers (e.g., Acura, etc.)?
c. Though Nissan has offered non-Xenon headlights to '04 Maxima purchasers, why hasn't it offered a comparable option to its '02 and '03 Maxima as a replacement part?
d. At what point in time was Nissan aware of the problem with its headlights compared to when others (dealerships, car maker associations, insurance companies, police, etc.) were aware?
a. Is it reasonable that car manufacturers should fail to notify customers that externally facing body parts can be removed with relative ease. For example, if the windshield could be removed in about 30 seconds, would it be reasonable to expect that Nissan should inform consumers of this fact prior to purchase?
b. Is it reasonable that Nissan has offered non-Xenon headlights for the '04 Maxima but not as a replacement option for existing '02 and '03 Maximas? Is this a question of Nissan making a calculated assumption of cost of replacement vs. benefit of customer satisfaction, despite the lack of reasonableness?
c. Is it reasonable to assume that this trend of Xenon headlight theft will continue and expand to other parts of the country, beyond the current NY/NJ concentration of theft?
d. Is it reasonable that Nissan has elected to avoid replacement into non-Xenon headlights for '02 and '03 Maximas in order to avoid a de-facto recall of its product, thereby exposing it to the associated liability? Stated otherwise, is Nissan failing to offer replacement the headlights, despite the reasonableness of such action, out of fear that this would be an admonission of defect, potentially making Nissan liable for past repair costs, both consumer and insurance paid?
e. Is it reasonable that Nissan should forsake its customers, actively avoid addressing its design flaws after failing to provide adequate notice of ease of headlight theft prior to purchase?
It would be refreshing for Nissan to address to its customers a letter stating its positions.
The current anti theft mechanism, DataDots, is not effective. The associated letter introding DataDots, which presumes that Nissan has somehow addressed the issue, is insulting.
I live in Jersey City and my headlights were stolen twice, the second time after DataDots program installation by the dealer.
A question to Nissan Motor Corp.:
"What do you think is the best course of action for me to take?"
Dec 25, 2003 (8:52 am)
It is probably fair to assume that Nissan did not know about the ease of theft when it designed the 02/03 Max HIDs. However, when consumers (even Nissan dealers)complained about the problem, it took Nissan more than one year to address it by introducing the DataDot system and the metal bracket. It is a step toward assuaging consumer displeasure (particular for those who reside in NY/NJ), but as you pointed out, those fixes could not and did not prevent a subsequent theft.
To resolve the problem, Nissan needs to give 02/03 Max owners free or substantially discounted non-HID replacement headlights (that fit). It may cost Nissan $100 per car, but its willingness to do so will garner significantly better customer satisfaction, which will help Nissan in future car sales. A stitch in time is worth nine, even though the proposed stitch is late.
Talking about "associated liability", do you think a reasonable jury will find Nissan liable for an accident (at night) due to no headlight illumination stemming from an HID theft? Looks like you may be able to establish "causation"
#90 of 229 ACURA TL stolen headlights also
Dec 28, 2003 (8:20 pm)
Stolen headlights apparently is an issue in the Acura TL as well. One of my lights were stolen out of my TL 2003 yesterday. I feared this for a long time since I kept hearing stories AFTER I brought my car last year. From what I was told its a lot easier to steal the lights from the Maxima.
It just irritates me when I see these 3 dollar cars with possibly my xenon lights knowing they probably paid 30 dollars for them. Police probably have better things to do with there time, but they are not taking this issue seriously because I see these 3 dollar cars all the time with these lights.
Anyway, the outside shell of the light is still intact but they obviously took the box of the HID and bent the right fender. I'm sure a lot of others have experienced this. How much was the damage?
#91 of 229 Data Dots Installed
Dec 30, 2003 (11:41 am)
I had to bring my 2002 Maxima SE in yesterday for a crank sensor problem, which apparently was a recall recently, didn't know that. They also said they would install the Data Dots for me, I had heard about problems with them being stolen and jumped on this msg board today, and found out it certainly has been a problem for many. They said the bracket makes them "impossible" to steal but I am sure crafty thieves can still get them somehow. I live in the Northeast but haven't had a problem with them being stolen in 2 years in the Boston area. They did put a small oval "Protected by Data Dot" sticker on driver side and pass side window. After reading posts here, maybe the better idea would be to put the sticker or some other warning msg down by the actual headlights so they know that their swipe job may be a bit more difficult... who knows it it will help.
#92 of 229 NEED INFO ON 2001 LIGHTS FOR MY 2002 MAXIMA ?
Jan 02, 2004 (1:17 pm)
MY LIGHTS WERE ALSO STOLEN AND I ALSO WANTED TO REPLACE MY 2002 HEADLIGHTS WITH THE 2001 LIGHTS...
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#93 of 229 re: need info ...
Jan 02, 2004 (1:23 pm)
Sorry to hear about your loss.
PLEASE E-MAIL ME AT ELLDOGG1999AOL.COM THANK YOU .....
That kinda defeats the purpose of a message board! Stick around and participate and you're more likely to get a reply.