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Cadillac Fleetwood, Sedan
#9 of 167 norbnancy
Jul 24, 2003 (2:53 pm)
Thanks for the information! Yes, the Roadmaster is ours also, and an exact replica of the Fleetwood as far as colors go. It's a '92 Limited model, with every option also, along with 184k miles, and not a single problem!
Our Fleetwood has every option except for the sunroof, and now I guess RKE, but I'm not exactly sure. What's odd about ours is that it was a custom built factory order by an older gentlemen in Zyphr (sp?) Hills, Florida. He ordered it late in the '93 model year, and as such, it is a June 1993 build. When you look up production #'s, it lists around 29,500 or so for the first year, but ours is a # around 30,000. I think it was one of the last, just before the new '94s came out. His name is still on a gold Cadillac plaque on the center of the dash just above the radio, and says "Built Especially For:" and then his name.
His son in Bethesda, MD then got the car in 1997, and had it ever since. We just had it in the shop today, and had the front brake pads replaced and an oil leak around the oil cooler fixed by replacing the seal. Total cost was $170 for both AND labor--not bad at all. Now everything is just about perfect!
I look forward to sahring stories with you over time, and that we get another few people on here!
#10 of 167 beach15 programming
Jul 24, 2003 (6:34 pm)
Following is the procedure for programming the remote keyless system: Look behind the left trunk trim for an angle body brace. Attached to the brace is a wire harness with a female plastic connector with nothing plugged into it. This is the programming connector. Turn on the ignition. Ground the programming connector with a ground wire to a good ground on the body. The door locks and trunk lock will cycle indicating the receiver is in the programing mode. Depress any button on the transmitter (only once). The door locks & trunk lock will cycle once confirming the transmitter code is programmed. Any previous transmitter code now has been erased. If programming a second transmitter, depress any button on the second transmitter once. This must be done before the programming connector is disconnected The door locks and trunk lock will cycle again for the 2nd transmitter. The programming connector ground must be disconnected. Verify the operation. Hope this works. I have several questions and comments that I'll come back with. I have visitors for a few days. I'll be back after. Enjoy the ride.
#11 of 167 norbnancy
Jul 25, 2003 (3:34 pm)
Okay, thanks!!! Your directions are the clearest I've gotten to date. Now my only problem is that I think this car really doesn't have keyless entry..or any of the wires for it! I look forward to hearing from you in a few days!
#12 of 167 Key Less - beach15
Jul 27, 2003 (4:55 pm)
The easiest way to tell if your car has key less is to look inside the trunk up above the spare tire. You will see a wire harness with about 10wires going through the package shelf to the receiver assembly which is located under the rear center stop lite cover assembly. The receiver assembly is held to the package shelf metal with two silver looking metal clips that protrude through the package shelf into the trunk on either side of the before mentioned wire harness. Let me know what you find. My Fleetwood vin is 1G6DW5272PR 721243 built & shipped on 2/ 17/ 93. It is number 21243 produced at the Arlington Tx. plant. The Arlington plant produced Fleetwoods, Roadmasters, and Chevrolet Caprice Wagons. The Willow Run Mi. plant produced Caprice sedans. Willow Run went out of production in 1994 or 1995.What is your Vin? Does your Fleetwood have a full size spare or the mini? Your comments on the spare?? I like the mini spare because it takes less room, is lighter,and easier to handle. You mention a leak at the oil cooler. What oil cooler? Where was the leak? Engine oil leak? Transmission oil leak? Strange thing happened to mine this week. Battery started leaking and acid was all over the frame rail,battery tray etc. Cleaned up O.K. with baking soda and old tooth brush. I painted the frame, tray etc so it now looks good again. Tomorrow is new battery day. Probably $60 - $80. The battery was 5 years old so no big loss. Enjoy the ride.
Jul 28, 2003 (2:57 pm)
Well, the leak was above the mount for the oil filter, which, according to my father is the oil cooler, but I'm not 100% sure. According to the mechanic, it's a common problem with certain GM cars because the seal there flattens out with age and a leak starts. It was a very, very slight leak and we don't think it was there when we bought it, but appeared a few days later. Anyway, it's all fixed and the front has new brake pads too.
I'm still going to go out and look for the wire for the RKE, but I think it never had it as an option. Why, I have no idea. The original owner went to the trouble of custom ordering the car late in the '93 model year, getting everything but the sunroof, trailering package, full-size spare, and possibly RKE. Plus, he ordered a custom red interior, which I have yet to see on another Fleetwood, but probably is out there on more of them.
Our car had the mini spare when we bought it, just like our Roadmaster, but we've since changed that. My father hates mini spares and will not use them, so he saved two chrome wheels and whitewalls from the '79 GMC van he traded for the Buick, using one for the spare in each car. Now each has a full-size spare. It takes up more room and is heavier, but I feel better knowing there's a real wheel & tire in there if needed.
Our car's vin # is 1G60W5278PR730299, and, as such, was number 30,299 produced in June of 1993, one of the last for the model year. I guess this is better than it being one of the first built!
We just took it on a relatively long road trip yesterday, 150 miles each way on the highway. It was awesome! I'm used to cruising in our 2002 Avalanche, but the Fleetwood was made for the highway! Even more shocking is how fast and turbine-smooth the car is. I thought for having the "old" 350 before they put in the LT1, but it really zings! It pulls like a freight train and is sikly smooth and silent all the way. The only thing I don't like is how it has more road noise than our Roadmaster. We think it's the tires. They're about 2/3rd's worn, Pinnacle Atlas whitewalls, and seem to be quite noisy on the highway and quite thumpy. I think they're kind of stiff and the tread pattern isn't all that quiet. Not that it is nearly as loud as our 2000 Chrysler 300M that we got rid of, but it should be quieter, at least road noise wise.
We're going to try and get at least another half to full year out of them and then buy a full new set. What do you have on yours?
Oh, and I forgot to mention. Back in April, my father started looking for a car to replace his '79 GMC conversion van that was on it's last legs. He wanted a '93 or newer Fleetwood then, but coulcn't find any. On a whim, when he was out car shopping, he remembered a small used car dealer that usually had Caddy's and Buicks. Pulled in there, and found the Roadmaster. Bought it the next week and loved it since. Then, after a few weeks, we saw a dark cherry Fleetwood while out shopping and I said "I'd drive that". Suprisingly, he said "Maybe we'll trade the Chevelle for one". Within two days, we had the '69 Chevelle listed for sale, and started looking for Fleetwoods. The first three we looked at were all black, and each one was in worse condition than the one before--the last two were really ripped up. Then we found this one and cut a check on the spot for only $4,500.
It's meant to be my first car of sorts to use to get to school, but is still my fathers in the end. Oh well, who could complain about driving a loaded Caddy to high school and not having to spend a cent...?!
#14 of 167 beach15 Fleetwood
Jul 31, 2003 (5:41 pm)
Your Fleetwood is a very late production also from Arlington. A late production car can be a problem car only if there is a major re-design the next model year. This is not the case with 1993 Fleetwood. The 1994 is almost identical. I haven't studied them but the only difference is the 94 - 96 has dual exhaust. If you will look at the option sticker located on the underside of the trunk lid, it lists all the options the car was built with. Option "AUO" is "lock control remote". I have General tires and they are noiser than I like. I purchased based on load rating, wear rating and price. I bought at Discount Tire Co. They have stores all over the country. They are only in the tire business and don't try to sell shocks, brakes, mufflers etc. Keep in mind that in 1993 the noise suppression technology was not as good as it is today. Paying $4500 for a 93 Fleetwood Brougham borders on being criminal. I looked at a 1994 Fleetwood Brougham in Florida last winter that had 18000 original miles and was mint. They were asking $19000. They were nuts, but it gives you an idea what a super clean Cad is worth. I wouldn't let mine go for under $6000 even though it has 110400 miles. It is like a 40000 mile car. I would suggest replacing the in line fuel filter unless you know that it has been changed. Fuel filters are usually neglected until your injectors get clogged. A filter costs about $18.00, $30 to $40 installed at a shop. Better than $300 -$400 to clean injectors. It is an easy job. It is located under the car just in front of the left rear wheel. Let me know what you find on the RKE. Enjoy the ride.
Aug 01, 2003 (4:05 pm)
Our car has no RKE, I'm sure of that now. The code "AUO" is not there, and neither is the wiring harness. It makes me very mad because I've gotten very used to the remotes with my mother's cars, and can't live without them!
About the only way I'll be able to get RKE now is to have an alarm system installed. Someone else on a Cadillac forum will sell me one for $40 new in box, but I'd have to have it installed. That only presents a problem the car is technically my fathers and he DOES NOT want me to touch anything other than cosmetic.
"Paying $4500 for a 93 Fleetwood Brougham borders on being criminal."
I know! This car is THAT good too! When the guy told us someone else wanted to look at it that day, we knew we better give him a check right then and there before going home because the car would be gone. He listed it Friday for $4,750, and we bought it Sunday morning for $4,500. Both the Fleetwood and our Roadmaster were awesome deals. I actually want to buy another one (preferably a '95-'96) in a couple of years.
I don't know what the tires are on the car now. There are two words on them: "Pinnacle" and "Atlas". I don't know which is the brand. Either way, their quite worn, the passenger side ones have black scuffs, and they're kind of noisy. They're 235-70-15, but we're going to put 235-75-15's on, since they fill the wheel well in more and that's whats on our Buick, and we like them. I want to get Yokohama Avid Tourings (great ratings, 80k warranty, and only $54 at Tire Rack), but my father wants to buy something from someone local for added convenience. I don't know what we'll end up with.
Do you have any digital pictures of your car? I'd like to see it! I still have a lot more to share with you, so we'll surely keep this thread alive!
#16 of 167 beach15 Tires
Aug 02, 2003 (2:17 pm)
Your tire brand is Atlas. Been around for years but not very big seller. Haven't seen Atlas tires for many years. I don't know anything about yokahama tires, sound Japanese which turns me off. Firestone/Bridgestone is also Japanese owned. have had good service out of Goodyear tires over the years. I suppose any tire company can make a bad batch of tires from time to time. It's the luck of the draw. Big surprise that your car doesn't have RKE. The original owner must have had something against it. I don't think it cost that much when you consider the total car price of #35000 +++. I don't think I would try to get an after market RKE as it may mess up the electronics. You should learn to use a key like in the old days... Ha Ha. I think you will be pleased with the larger 235-75-15 tires. I think thwey give a better ride. White walls??? I hope so. The Fleetwood deserves whitwalls in my opinion. I don't have a didital camera nor would I know how to send pictures. Perhaps that will be on my shopping list along with a scanner. Be back in about a week. Enjoy the ride.
Aug 06, 2003 (2:43 pm)
Of course white walls! Any Fleetwood or Roadmaster has to have them...the cars without them look TERRIBLE! Whatever we do get and whenever we get them, they will be white walls and 235-75-15's, because the 235-70-15's just look too tiny to be on a car this big.
Do the 75's fit properly? The only thing we could think of is that they might be a little tight in the rear. They'll fit, but just be tight. Otherwise, a wider sidewall can only help with the ride.
I'll just have to stick with the darn old keys for now. I can't do anything about it, because it's not exactly my name on the title. More and more, I'm thinking about buying another Fleetwood or Roadmaster (a third!) just for myself. I'd love to find one cheap that needed a few things (we've seen several like this; ours was cheap but needed nothing!). We'll see what happens. I'm liking our 2002 Chevy Avalanche less and less now, which is strange because it used to be my favorite out of everything we've had...these old Roadmasters and Fleetwoods are terrific!
#18 of 167 Fleetwoods....
Aug 10, 2003 (11:48 am)
...does anyone else have one of these awesome, silky road monsters? Norb will be back soon I think...won't you?!