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#1156 of 1441 Re: Ok Volkswagon fans [scape2]
Mar 05, 2006 (8:55 pm)
I am on my 4th VW in a row. First was a 1997 Jetta GLX. Man, what a car that I still miss terribly! I bought it used in 1999, Traded it in in Sept 2001. In this time I went through 2 sets of plugs (I was sold the wrong type that caused constant "check engine" light), plug wires (the father-in-law broke one when I was away in Egypt for a year), power window regulator )which the dealership replaced even when out of warranty, and a round of brake pads. In this time I imagine we put maybe 50,000 miles on it. Not bad at all. Traded it in on a:
2001 Jetta wagon. Fun car with the hyper little 1.8t. A couple bugs included: all 4 coils that were replaced by the dealership. They even sent recall notice before they went out. Another window regulator, also taken care of under warranty. From my understanding VW issued a bulletin on this and it's quite easy to have them fixed for free when out of warranty. My biggest gripe was when the alternator died at 30,000 miles. Valeo (made in France. I swore this was their covert technique to bring Renaults back into the country piece by piece). This is when VW over-torqued me by refusing to take care of it. They had the nerve to suggest I spend $800 for a new Valeo alternator. I ordered a rebuilt Bosch and motored happily down the highway.
Next up was a 2004 Passat wagon GLS. Zero problems. Wonderful car. I just couldn't take the Tiptronic XMSN with the 1.8T. It was my first (and only) VW that bored me to tears. But a good, reliable car that had the window regulator issue behind it. Seems VW has finally fixed it and the coil problem.
Being the dull animal it was, I left it behind in a cloud of dust kicked up by my 2006 GLI. So far, a great car. Being a new model year for this one, I'm bound to have some faults. However, after being quickly looked at by the dealership (and Moffit VW in Bossier City, LA has good service) I was assured that catastrophic failure was not going to occur. I'm due to leave it with them overnight at the 5,000 mile service and let them dig into it to locate and remedy an annoying rattle at engine idle. No, it's not the motor. I have faith it will be taken care of.
Before my personal ownership stories, I was stationed in Germany twice and had friends with VWs going on 200,000 miles. We in the U.S look at vehicle maintenance different than other folks do. We seek cars that need little attention, and call them great. In Germany, cars cost much more and folks tend to keep them longer. The cars are designed to be safe, efficient AND perform on roads like the Autobahn for extended periods of time. Unfortunately, German cars (and especially VW/Audi) are kind of weird. They require maintenance at their specified intervals. Their equivalent of our state inspections are murder. Their safety organization (TUV) will almost tear the car down looking for problems. Therefore, the Germans are very keen to regular maintenance, which = long lasting VWs.
So, to answer your questions of VW reliability, given the CARE THAT IS SPECIFIED IN THE MANUAL (something a camcord owner can't grasp) they will work just as well. Well, until they have window regulator and coil problems again... But hey, seems all is well now. I keep buying the things for a reason. They're just so darned fun, the quirks are worth it!
Go for it. You'll love it!
#1157 of 1441 Don't Want To Grasp
Mar 06, 2006 (3:35 pm)
Almost bought the Jetta in July, but some of us just want a DEPENDABLE car with no other issues. Decided the VW was just not for us at this point, as we prefer cars with no drama. Once VW can build one of those...I'll buy it!
#1158 of 1441 Re: Don't Want To Grasp [sandman46]
Mar 06, 2006 (5:22 pm)
> Almost bought the Jetta in July, but some of us just want a DEPENDABLE car with no other issues
That car would be a CamCord - also known as an appliance...
#1159 of 1441 And What's Wrong With That...?
Mar 06, 2006 (5:39 pm)
#1160 of 1441 That elusive "dependability"
Mar 07, 2006 (5:31 am)
That car would be a CamCord
No guarantee that you will have zero problems with those either. There are people who have problems with those as well...you can read about them in the edmunds forums.
It may well be that the odds of getting a dependable unit are perhaps greater with camcords than a Jetta. But what if one really does not like the camcords, yet buys one anyway because of the dependability and is one of the unlucky ones who has problems anyway ?
I'd also argue that the Jetta is a bit safer car than the camcord and that is important to me.
I guess we'll see if VW has come up with a dependable car with no other issues in the Jetta 2.5. I understand that was one of the goals of that particular engine. Its early, but it seems to be the case so far.
#1161 of 1441 Re: Ok Volkswagon fans [rwatson]
Mar 07, 2006 (5:41 am)
At's all great, but two years at a time from brand new is hardly a good example for reliability. Almost all cars work well in their first two years and all manufacturer's will fix defects in first two/three years. I would like to see the very cars cars you traded couple of years later.
My coworker just got rid of her 2003 Beetle: what a beautiful piece of junk! Twelve (!) visits at the dealerships for the transmission fix, never done correctly (I could see two-three before they get it right, but twelve!??), really poor treatment at two of three dealerships, also sunroof leaking after less then year and introducing molding, etc.
Here is the kicker: the manual/maintenance schedule says absolutely nothing (allegedly - I did not see it, so can't tell for sure) about cleaning passages in the sunroof - yet when it started (less the year after the purchase of new car), they showed her the finger, saying it was a maintenance issue, not a defect. So let me get it straight, Mr VW of A: you design a product requiring special care (not sure if others do, lets say they do), never tell me about it, then when the problem arrives (and it is very soon), your representatives tell me it is my fault due to lack of care. Beautiful! That's what I call standard of excellence.
You know - I love Audis, like VWs, mostly their interiors, ergonomics, the way they drive. Cars are really nice when new. But 30 years in the market would be enough to fix some basics, not to mention that no matter how much they try to dispell it, the statistics are still merciless: no real improvements within last five years, according to CR. I know, I know, they hate VW and they are bad statistical sample, and they are all part of conspiracy, and Shipo, Mark, and all others have leased 4-10 cars in last 10 years and they were all great, so it all must be some really bad conspiracy or some really bad data sampling.
#1162 of 1441 Re: Ok Volkswagon fans [dino001]
Mar 07, 2006 (5:30 pm)
Add me to the list of reliable Audi’s. Not making it up; they were better than my Honda.
I thought that VW reliability was getting better…only the others were also increasing their reliability.
Making up numbers here…if you have 80 problems per 100 vehicles or 160 problems per 100 vehicles, you more than likely need to make a trip to the dealership. So either you tell them “fix this” or “fix this and that”. As long as it’s fixed right (key point here), and are not stranded, you’ll probably be in for warranty service anyway.
It’s the persistent plaguing problems than quickly deteriorate any brand loyalty.
#1163 of 1441 Need Help on offer please...
Mar 08, 2006 (7:09 am)
I've been offered a deal on a new 2005.5 jetta 2.5 w/auto and package #2 xm.
MSRP $26,740: offered to me at $21,240.
IS THIS A GOOD DEAL???
#1164 of 1441 Re: Need Help on offer please... [thjatty]
Mar 08, 2006 (1:21 pm)
Yes, very good deal if you don't mind that the engine is manufactured in Mexico and transmission is from Japan or Argentina.
#1165 of 1441 Re: Need Help on offer please... [thjatty]
Mar 08, 2006 (4:12 pm)
Hi thjatty, welcome!
The best place to find out the answer to that question is our Volkswagen Jetta: Prices Paid & Buying Experience discussion.
There you can compare notes with other buyers and see what kinds of deals they are getting.
Good luck and let us know how it goes!