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#144 of 2954 Re: even if [nippononly]
Nov 01, 2006 (7:58 am)
The Highlander is outdated because it's based on the original '99 Rx300. It's not even on the 2002 Camry frame. It still has the 'tweaked' version of the 3.0L ( 3.3L ). However it has like the Rx served to create the entire Crossover segment. See today's Inside Line where Ford finally - after 8 years - has a comptitive vehicle.
The Pilot followed the Rx/Highlander as Honda's crossover entry. It always had to be a larger vehicle in that it has to serve 'double duty' of sorts. Being on the Odyssey frame itself it is a 'tweener in the middle of the 4Runner and the Highlander since Honda doesn't have a truck-based midsized SUV. Using the 4Runner, the Highlander and the RAV individually Toyota is able to segment the market more precisely and overall sell to a wider audience. In this midsized segment Honda has only one entry now that they declined to bring the CRV up to the RAV's capabilities.
I believe that the new base Highlander will probably end up being about $28000...which is where the 2WD V6 presently is ( before rebates ). But for that $28000 it will have new styling, more room, at least 7 airbags standard, the current STAR safety system, the new 266 hp 3.5L V6, better FE, MP3/WMA and possibly BT w/ 440 watt JBL 6-disc either standard or as the first option. But most I agree will be in excess of $30000. I would love to see the new HH begin at $29500 using the 2.4L +HSD with the same features but getting 32-35 mpg vs 24-28 mpg for the 3.5L version.
#145 of 2954 Re: yeah [nippononly]
Nov 01, 2006 (3:01 pm)
>>it's time for the Highlander and the RX350 to diverge....
The next HL will be a lot bigger than the current model, I am sure<< I keep hearing this "lot bigger" story from many posters for the 2008 Highlander. That said, why would it be a "lot bigger"? The Lexus RX 350 is "almost" the same size as the 2007 Highlander. With the Highlander at 184.6" length while the RX is at 186.2" And the width for the HL is 71.9" vs. 72.6" for the RX. Seems to me, off the top of my head, like the 2007 Highlander and the 2007 Lexus RX 350 are "almost" twins, size wise.
Nov 01, 2006 (10:34 pm)
"That said, why would it be a "lot bigger"?"
1. Because it would be suicide for Toyota to continue to have only the 4Runner, a gas-guzzling truck-based model that reminds you of that fact when you drive it, as their mid-large-size 3-row SUV. They need a model this size with car dynamics and at least 1/3 better fuel economy.
2. Not only that, the RAV4 is virtually the same size now, give or take a few inches of width, so they will hurt each other for sales if this situation is allowed to continue very long.
3. And finally, the 3rd row in the HL now is a puny little (bad) joke, and third rows are where a lot of the action is at in this segment. They need to stretch this sucker a lot (which they should be easily able to do given they have announced the new model will ride on the long long Avalon platform) to get that third row into the prime time.
kdhspyder: "I believe that the new base Highlander will probably end up being about $28000".
My guess? $28,995, or about $2500 more than the base Avalon with which it will probably share EVERYTHING under the skin. Which means base price for a 4WD Highlander will blow past the $30K mark, I guess. As will the hybrid. I hope they use the Camry's hybrid powertrain in the new HL. I sure do hope. I figure it should be able to achieve more than 35 mpg combined, very good for a car the size of the new HL.
#147 of 2954 Re: 2002 Camry Frame
Nov 02, 2006 (4:09 am)
I recall reading several articles that toted the '01 HL as having the '02 Camry frame before the '02 Camry was introduced. Is my recollection in error or were the articles wrong?
Never the less, the '08 HL is rumored to be based on the Avalon frame which means it will most certainly be a larger vehicle.
#148 of 2954 Re: toyotagal [nippononly]
Nov 02, 2006 (7:42 am)
So you are holding by your guns,nippononly? And the 2008 Highlander will be "a lot bigger".
Somehow that loses me since the RX350, which it will be purportedly modeled after, is viturally the same size as the current 2007 Highlander. JMO but I think it will be a "little larger". I just can't see it putting the RX350 to shame...............IMHO they will go for updated styling and slightly larger.
Only time will tell.
#149 of 2954 Tall wagon
Nov 02, 2006 (12:14 pm)
The next HL will probably resemble a tall wagon. Interior space will be larger than the current HL (by quite a bit). Styling will be much improved (a little fancier). It will be more car-like (if that's possible). Other than mechanics, it will have nothing in common with the RX or the RAV (it's going in a different direction). Don't hold me to any of this speculative info. Just having a little fun predicting.
#150 of 2954 Re: toyotagal [toyotagal]
Nov 02, 2006 (1:35 pm)
Well, it will depend on whether or not these reports are true that the new Highlander is moving to the Avalon platform. Because the RX350 ISN'T on the Avalon platform, to my knowledge. The RX's place is further down the size spectrum, to be better suited to the Lexus over-60s/empty-nester buyers. They don't need a third row.
So I guess I AM "holding to my guns"!
#151 of 2954 Re: toyotagal [nippononly]
Nov 02, 2006 (3:33 pm)
By all means "hold to your guns", nippononly.
Life would be boring if we all had the same vision of the 2008 Highlander.
For some reason, I could just not envision Toyota using RX 350 styling and making that much bigger and roomier than the Lexus 350.
Time will tell. You may be right, a big fat Toyota RX 350.................
We will probably be able to haul 10 people in that sucker.................
#152 of 2954 well don't forget
Nov 02, 2006 (3:58 pm)
the existing RX350 really IS a Toyota...
I assume seven people will fit comfortably in the '08 Highlander.
#153 of 2954 Re: well don't forget [nippononly]
Nov 02, 2006 (5:34 pm)
Does that have any weight or size restrictions to the 7? (smile)