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#61 of 2033 by ateixeira Jan 24, 2004 (9:27 am)
I think this will appeal to first-time car buyers, sure. Scion has been successful so far, and this is its most conventional car by far.   -juice
#62 of 2033 Scion tC by orionzygarian Jan 24, 2004 (1:29 pm)
This is an excellent car: finally, Toyota is comming out with something fast! Sorry guys, the newer Celica doesnt count, although this wont render the Celica dead: they'd had it since the beginning I believe. A TRD supercharger on the Camry engine is a great place to start for younger, first time buyers. It'll be under $20k, yes, but how much? We wont know, but it'll obviously be worth it for the quality and overall feel for these. Has anyone been inside an xA or xB? Incredibly roomy and comfortable. If I could, I'd deffinetly buy one of these.   Earlier I saw someone mention the Supra. I highly doubt there will be another one: all the ones you people claim to have seen are just artist renderings. Toyota said so themselves: "Only 2% of the people in the market are looking for a sports car." As much as I'd love it's return (I'm a Supra fanboy myself) I actually hope it doesnt. It's already perfect: anything more might accidentally ruin it, and even if it was released, it'd be an almost overpriced Lexus. What they SHOULD do is take the old body, modify it just a LITTLE bit, get a bit smaller chassis, a much weaker engine, and sell it as a Scion. The sales will skyrocket for Toyota, and I dont know if any of you have noticed, but Toyota is the 2nd largest car company: it recently beat out Ford. I believe they still make the infamous 2JZ-GTE engine (the one in the oh-so-popular Toyota Supra) so you can buy them new, although they stopped the Supra production in Japan in 2001, so who knows. The Supra's price nowadays is still a steady $20k, so Toyota definetly did something right.
#63 of 2033 Pzev... by gee35coupe Jan 24, 2004 (5:35 pm)
Toyota is looking for younger buyers. But they also are looking for buyers with money. This car looks like a $25000 car for $19000. I think it's a steal. If they make them all loaded the 18 year olds will just have to wait for a used ones.   But then again, all these 18 year olds with GS-R Turbos and fully tricked out new Civics and other imports show that there is SOME money around the youth of America. I don't think Scion is gonna have too much problem meeting sales goals.
#64 of 2033 gee35 by muffin_man Jan 24, 2004 (10:35 pm)
"This car looks like a $25000 car for $19000."   That's a good one.
#65 of 2033 Muffin by gee35coupe Jan 25, 2004 (7:34 am)
I don't know if that was being sarcastic. But if you'd read the Mazda6 vs. TSX room people have darn near gone crazy saying the Mazda6 is "better" than the TSX because they are cheaper.   In my opinion I think the Tc's combination of features and performance would sell quite nicely for $25,000. Maybe the savings is coming from making them all the same spec.
#66 of 2033 comparison by pzev Jan 25, 2004 (8:35 am)
I have to say though the $18k price seems a little low. I would expect more along the lines of $18.5k or a little more. A base Acura RSX has an invoice of $18,260. And unless someone can say otherwise, I would assume this car is being built in Japan or the UK where the Avensis's are built. That will add a little to the base price versus being built in NA.   Add in destination charge and you're potentially topping out over 19k. Also Toyota would be shooting themselves in the foot by offering this car right at 18k or lower. The Camry and most of their other cars will look like total rip-offs if they can offer a car with this kind of equipment at that price. The interior looks much nicer than the Celica, MR2, Camry, etc. and then they offer it at a low price with the really nice interior? Is Toyota this crazy? I don't think so.   Also if you look on a lot of boards people are saying things like if this car comes in at 16k or 17k it'll be an awesome deal, etc. Scion has already made the image of their cars being affordable, but more than likely they'll be in for a rude awakening when the actual price is revealed. Under 18k? Very unlikely.   And one of the points I'm trying to make is their target audience wants to mod their cars. Look at the xB. You'll see a lot have been modded. Stuff like that costs money. I never understood buying a cheap car then throwing a ton of money into it but the younger crowd wants to be unique and original. At 19k that more than likely leaves them with little, if any money to change the wheels, add a body kit, etc.   I think that's why the car was left so bland, it can be customized more easily. Also the stereo in the tC, even though it's above average I'm sure for this price class, these same people will want to customize that as well. Also having stock wheels is too boring, they'll want different wheels to be unique.   As I said it seems they're going after a different audience now, which makes me wonder what's the point of Scion. They should have badged it as a Toyota and be done with it. Do they want Toyota to become as boring as Buick?
#67 of 2033 With all the modded RSX-S's, Celicas and E33 M3's we have here in by gee35coupe Jan 25, 2004 (8:51 am)
Atlanta. I don't think they'll be quite out of money for modding. There are a lot of rich parents out there.
#68 of 2033 alpha01 by pzev Jan 25, 2004 (9:01 am)
"Speaking from my personal situation, once I start working full time, I WILL be in a position to buy a $20,000 sporty-type car."   What I'm getting at though is I thought Scion was going to be about affordable cars that also appeal to the 18-25 crowd. Toyota wants to improve their image with this age group so in the future these same people will buy more expensive Toyotas and Lexus's from them, at least I would assume.   This car however I think will be a big success with the educated people with decent jobs in the 20-35 group. son in that sense, yes they're attracting a younger customer base.   The problem is I was fooled by what Scion was suppose to be about. I thought it was about offering "hip" "cool" cars that 18 year olds would want and could possibly afford. Then Toyota can make more money on the back-end by offering lots of dealer-installed mods. Raising the price level to 19k and above seems too expensive. And with the no-haggle pricing there's no way to deal on this price.   Don't you think it seems like they're going after a different customer base with this car versus the xA and xB?   Either the car needs to be affordable (and I may be wrong on this and maybe most of these younger people can afford a 19k car) or it needs to have them drooling over it like a SRT-4 and Evo can. With 160hp and bland looks, seems like it's not enough to have them drooling over it like the other cars can.
#70 of 2033 gee35coupe by pzev Jan 25, 2004 (9:09 am)
I was going to mention that in another post. I have yet to see a modded RSX, and I've seen a few slightly modded Celicas but nothing extreme. Seems like the Celica is old news and isn't doing too well. Also the article I mentioned before said the Matrix didn't seem to have gotten the job done by attracting the young crowd.   Toyota can't seem to get it right. But if the numbers I saw earlier about only 30,000 being made is true then there will be plenty of kids with rich parents to sell all those. The question is will the tC help Toyota's image in the long run or will it be old news in a few years.   I think the SRT-4 is helping Dodge a lot. I think the WRX and Evo is helping Subaru and Mitsubishi a lot. I think the S2000 has helped Honda a lot. Will the tC be a car everyone wants to talk about and help Toyota/Scion's image? That remains to be seen.

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