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You are in the Scion tC
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Scion tC, Convertible
#580 of 2039 Quote from ariticle
Jul 15, 2004 (3:20 pm)
Here is the quote from the article:
"The Camry also donates to the tC its buttery five-speed manual, albeit with a revised linkage and shorter gear ratios and the optional four-speed auto."
Yes, gear ratios are shorter for 5 speed manual, but I believe that the 4 speed auto is unchanged.
Refer to the quote from this test drive: http://www.nctd.com/printversion-review.cfm?Vehicle=2005_Scion_tC- &ReviewID=1566
"The transmission gearing in the automatic that we drove for this test is wholly unsuitable for bigtime acceleration, with an overall ratio of just over 10:1 (the first-gear ratio times the axle ratio), while the manual is almost 50 percent lower, almost 15:1, for maximum acceleration in first gear."
Camry automatic has better mileage (22/33) than TC automatic (23/30). You are right that RPM does affect the mileage but as it is not the only thing.
The carpet can be removed during raining or snowing days to keep the carpet from getting soaked. It is probably not a big deal in Florida or California, where it is sunny most of the time.
However, in Northwest (Oregon) it rains all the time during fall, winter, and spring. Sunny is very dry on the other hand. That is a very neat and valuable feature here. Unfortunately, Scion only applied it to the front seat mats.
#581 of 2039 2 speed automatic
Jul 15, 2004 (3:30 pm)
For 2005, the Camry gets a 5-speed automatic on the 4 cylinder models. I wonder why the tC only has a 4-speed?
The mileage gap between the tC and the Camry will likely widen even further.
Maybe the 2006 tC will get a the new 5-speed automatic.
#582 of 2039 307web
Jul 16, 2004 (4:31 am)
"I wonder why the tC only has a 4-speed?"
Jul 16, 2004 (4:53 am)
Yet another reason to get the stick.
Also, I played with the carpet mats today, and darned if you can't peel the carpet piece out, leaving a rubber all-weather mat. Even has a lip (from where it holds the carpet) to drap water.
Might just have to use this feature in the winter. Should greatly extend the life of the carpet, and mayber be cheaper to replace in the future (assuming you can just buy the carpet refill).
ANother neat trick: the inside lights dim up and down. When you open the door, they don't go to full bright, instead the start low and then get brighter (like pushing a dimmer switch up). Same thing in reverse when they go out.
#584 of 2039 Re: Quote from ariticle [hc72]
Jul 16, 2004 (7:39 am)
hc72, your citation/quotation from NCTD was a little misleading -- a "however" immediately follows the quoted text in the original. The full quote reads as follows:
"The transmission gearing in the automatic that we drove for this test is wholly unsuitable for bigtime acceleration, with an overall ratio of just over 10:1 (the first-gear ratio times the axle ratio), while the manual is almost 50 percent lower, almost 15:1, for maximum acceleration in first gear. However, the automatic does move out smartly, it's obviously much easier to live with in gooey traffic, and will get significantly better highway mileage than the manual, which is saddled with a very low 4.235 axle ratio. No complaints on the powertrain. "
#585 of 2039 Sorry
Jul 16, 2004 (11:35 am)
Sorry, I am not trying to say that automatic is bad. As a matter of fact, I am getting a tC with automatic. It is much more convinient in the long term even though it cost $800 more. Other people in the house does not know how to drive a stick.
I was trying to show that the automatic gearing is from 2004 Camry. Ironically, as 307web noted, the 2005 Camry is now available in 5 speed automatic. This makes sense since Accord (main competitor for Camry) has the 5 speed auto. I wonder whether the new 5 speed for the Camry can be a drop-in replacement for the tC. Control chip would have to be changed though.
#586 of 2039 5spd automatic
Jul 16, 2004 (12:10 pm)
Not to mention a big and I mean big repair bill from your local Toyota/Scion dealer. Not worth it IMHO.
Jul 17, 2004 (8:42 am)
I'm looking at getting a Tc. I was wondering if anyone here knew what the deal was with payments. since its a 4-6 week wait to get it, do you start paying immediatly(sp) or on Delivery? if so, can you postpone the Down Payment? i was just wondering cause if you can i can save, and drop more money down on arrival of the car. let me know. Thanks
Jul 17, 2004 (9:12 am)
you don't pay until the car arrives and you do the paperwork to take ownership. If it is going to be 4-6 weeks wait, the most you will need to do is leave a deposit (normally not more than $500), although some dealers may not even require that. Of course, the deposit counts as part of your down payment.
Often, dealers will take the deposit against a credit card, and not even bother to put the charge through. It's really just done to make you feel like it is "your" car, and to keep you from shopping (or getting on the waiting list) at other dealers.
with the tC, you shouldn't have to worry about getting the deposit back if for some reason you can't take the car, since they should have no problem selling it to someone else.
Jul 17, 2004 (11:04 am)
So pretty much i can go and order it today, and they wont ask for a Deposit untill Delivery? I would go ask, but i work all weekend, and wont have a chance to drop in till Monday. What do the actual owners think of the car? i loved it the second i saw it, and am going to test drive it on monday. Let me know what you think, Pros and Cons. It would be awesome to buy now and pay later, that way i'll be able to drop more down to pay less each month.
Doesnt anyone think its odd that the floor mats are a Standard Option? kind of an oxymoron. i was told that i was going to have to pay the $145 for the mats as an option, but i had to get it with the car. Very Odd. if there is a way to avoid them, i wouldnt mind going to Costco and getting a pair for $20