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#5 of 2033 by ateixeira Jul 24, 2003 (11:25 am)
This could be fun, actually.   I bought a used Miata and would have at least considered something like this were it available at the time.   It has to be light, though, that's the key to the current Scions. The engine has little torque. Convertibles add weight, so that's a bad combination.   And puh-lease kill the dorky center-mounted speedo. They should be above the steering wheel. People rejected the Echo for this reason (and others).   -juice
#6 of 2033 I saw a picture of the concept.. but I'm not sure if that is it by wsag26 Aug 18, 2003 (10:17 am)
I was reading MotorTrend magazine and I came upon possible styling for the Xc. It didn't exactly look like a convertible, but it resembled more of a hatchback. Styling not once so ever looked like there current hatchback the Xa, so my guess is Toyota Corp. might be changing there mind about whether it will be a convertible or hatchback, or maybe if it will come to America at all....
#7 of 2033 Toyota Avensis by pzev Oct 14, 2003 (4:09 am)
Motor Trend is now saying the Scion xC will be the Toyota Avensis! Not that this is earth-shattering news because for the most part the Avensis, especially in sedan form, is kind of dull. I don't see how it will appeal to the youth crowd, but it seems to be a very nice car and if it has Scion-like pricing then I'll definetly consider one as my next car.   One problem is it may not have Scion-like pricing. In the UK the pricing ranges from £14,200 to £21,700. This is definetly not in the same price range as the Scion xA or xB. Either way I find it appealing and hope they bring it over.   What does everyone think?   Here is a review from 4car that will give you some info on what the Avensis is about. It's available in sedan, hatchback, and wagon variations. This will appeal to a broad range of people, but again seems to not really appeal to the youth crowd in my opinion.   http://www.channel4.com/apps26/4car/jsp/main.jsp?lnk=231_2&re- viewid=779   Nothing is confirmed yet though, so this car may not be coming. The project leader is an audio buff so the Avensis has a very good stereo already in place, so that covers the prerequisite good stereo that all Scions are suppose to have.
#8 of 2033 more info by pzev Oct 14, 2003 (4:14 am)
http://www.toyota.co.jp/en/news/03/1006.html
#9 of 2033 yippy skippy! by coolguyky7 Oct 14, 2003 (3:14 pm)
I've been wondering why Toyota hasn't whipped out the new Avensis to compete with Passat, at least in style, here in the United States. Yeah, it would definitely steal sales from Camry, but if you named it Avensis Camry (so long as they are somehow related), you've got your sales numbers problem solved.
#10 of 2033 coolguyky7 by pzev Oct 14, 2003 (4:57 pm)
"Yeah, it would definitely steal sales from Camry, but if you named it Avensis Camry (so long as they are somehow related), you've got your sales numbers problem solved."   Yeah I thought about that, it could definetly steal sales from the Camry. One way around that though is to not offer the 2.4 engine. The next engine is the 2.0 which has 145 hp or something like that. It only weighs around 2800-2900 pounds though so it'll be close to the Camry in speed even though it has less HP because of the less weight.   Still a lot of Americans buy HP and even though I haven't compared the exterior dimensions, the Avensis is probably smaller on the outside as well. This may be reason enough to have a lot of people still want the Camry. Also by the time it comes out (and hopefully it will) the Camry redesign will be a year or two away, so after the Avensis is on the market for a year or so the new Camry will be close to coming out.   If they play their cards right they can keep it from hurting Camry sales too much. To me though the Avensis seems to be a better overall car than the Camry.
#11 of 2033 by ateixeira Oct 15, 2003 (10:51 am)
Looks like a Corolla with a VW front-end. The outcome is OK, though. I'm not sure it'll fit in with the image the xB portrays.   Camry buyers' median age has crept up there, I'm just not sure how this would attract younger buyers, besides lower price?   -juice
#12 of 2033 Scion tC by pzev Oct 15, 2003 (2:32 pm)
Ok I've done some more looking around for info on this car and here's what I've come up with. By the way the car has been shown to some Toyota dealers and people so a lot of this info is probably accurate. No pictures but here's some info.   The car will be named "tC" and not xC.   It will indeed be a 2-door coupe. Some say it will sort of look like the civic coupe, others say like the solara or celica. Basically I can't find any consistent info about it's looks. Word is though it will NOT look like the ccX concept.   Platform? Can't find any info but a double wishbone suspension is being thrown around. The Avensis platform has struts in front and double wishbone in back so maybe this is what Motor Trend was talking about.   Optional turbocharger/supercharger from the factory.   Engine will be either 2.4 in Camry or 1.8 in Celica.   Will have a glass roof. One of those panoramic sunroof type things. Didn't the ccX concept have this? Most info says it will have this but at the same time will not look like the ccX concept.   Price will come in barely under $18,000. I believe this is Scion's top limit on pricing. The car will have a lot of standard equipment and come in under $18,000.   Will be officially shown in January at the Detroit Auto Show. Will be out April-June 2004. Word has it the Scion brand will not be released to the rest of the country until this time or possibly as late as July or so. It looks like everything is planning to happen in the middle of next year though.   17" alloys standard   6-speed manual or auto   Personally I think the glass roof thing is a big mistake. That must add on significantly to the price and some people simply won't care about having one. It should be an option and not standard. All the info I read from people who were there at the unveiling or heard something from someone (I know, take all this with a grain of salt) said something about the glass roof being on it.   I think under $18,000 with a lot of standard equipment is a good price, but the glass roof must add at least $1,000 to the price. Again that would be a big mistake in my opinion. It needs to be an option, not standard.   Bottomline is though the Scion tC has been shown to a significant number of people so I think at least some of this info is accurate.
#13 of 2033 juice by pzev Oct 15, 2003 (2:40 pm)
Guess I jumped to conclusions too quick. lol I still wish the Avensis was being offered but you're right, it doesn't fit into the youth crowd or into what Scion is about.
#14 of 2033 by pzev Oct 16, 2003 (7:29 am)
Also interesting is the Celica is due for a complete redesign very soon, probably for the 2005 model year. Won't the Scion and Celica be in direct competition with each other? Wonder what they'll do to keep them different enough. I guess the glass roof or optional turbocharger is enough to appeal to the more younger crowd compared to the Celica.

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