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#1786 of 2039 Integra Manual dvr had shifting pblms n ScionTC test drive:PLS HELP STAT:-)
Jan 06, 2007 (7:27 pm)
I am a female, interested in purchasing a 2007 Scion TC Manual Trans. My present car is a 1991 ACURA Integra LS, Manual, 225K, w/the original factory-installed clutch. I am trying to find a model with an Integraís handling, reliability, and ability to go the distance, considering my price range (18K). I thought a new Scion TC would be a better investment and more worry-free than a used car, considering my traveling distances and safety needs.
I went for a test drive, & was surprised by the TC's difficulties I had shifting (ie. getting into gear), partic. downshifting in an emergency stop. As well there's a high-pitched hissing sound while accelerating to the next gear. The 2nd issue was merging into traffic due to the obstructed left window view (do drivers no longer worry about blind spots?).
I think I know how to drive a manual, considering the age of my clutch. I heard there is a big transition in going from a Honda to a Toyota manual. Therefore I do not know if my difficulties driving the Scion were due to this transition/myself, or due to the Scionís transmission design.
Can someone answer these questions, and provide the correct way to drive a Toyota manual and how to avoid damaging the engine via revving as well as the clutch due to the learning curve.
I am certain there is someone out there who can get me on the right foot with the Scion. I would hate to cross her off the list bc I drove her incorrectly.
Tx so much for your help!
#1787 of 2039 Re: Integra Manual dvr had shifting pblms n ScionTC test drive:PLS HELP STAT:-) [nifab]
Jan 07, 2007 (7:21 am)
You didn't drive the tC incorrectly. There is a problem with the tc's manual transmission. Many owners have had to have their manual tranmissions replaced, because of faulty parts inside. There are what are known as synchronizers that help the gears come up to speed, to have smooth shifts, those are bad and what is causing you to have notchy and difficult shifts into the gears.
I too found this test driving a couple of manual tc's. Until I found one out of the 4 that I tested work properly.
You do know how to drive manual (you're not losing your mind), since the integra (honda) is one of the smoothest shifting out there. I have driven the integra so I know what you've been experiencing. Personally I wouldn't take waste my time on the tc with a manual. They have had many many problems since it came out and the owners continue to have problems with the manual transmission model. And yes I believe it's a faulty design and cheap parts.
About the hissing noise. I discovered that Toyota made the intake manifold have this sound on purpose. Guess it's supposed to sound like a turbo injected car. They all make this hissing noise when accelerating. That's part of the design.
So I'm sorry that I'm the bearer of bad news about the transmission, but at least it's the truth.
#1788 of 2039 Re: Integra Manual dvr had shifting pblms n ScionTC test drive:PLS HELP STAT:-) [mark19]
Jan 07, 2007 (4:37 pm)
Thanks so much for your response! I'm glad 2 hear that my instinct was rt:-) I'm trying 2 find a manual trans 18k, reliable & good 4 defensive dving, manuveuring, no blind spot, needs to w/stand avg. 300 mi/wk (185mi/wk +1-150 mi roundtrip/wk) . Originally considered used cars, but think I need a low mileage car dur to my traveling, & those cost sim. to a new car. Think hybrids r out of price range, and don't know if manual trans. models are problem-free. Should I go for a used RSX, a new Civic LX (pricey for what it is)? Do you have other suggestions? PS: Someone said my accelerating betw. gears was granny shifting, but I do not get how 2 go from 1 gear 2 next w/o increasing speed??? PSS: Did u buy the manual TC? Greatly appreciate your help:-)
#1789 of 2039 Re: Integra Manual dvr had shifting pblms n ScionTC test drive:PLS HELP STAT:-) [nifab]
Jan 07, 2007 (10:04 pm)
No problem, glad to help out
as far as shifting between gears. That's usually called double clutching, and it's needed to meet the speed of the gearing. This is what synchronizers are for. So normally, you just accelerate, shift gears, accelerate some more. That's usually how it's done. No big mystery, so no need to worry, you're shifting the right way.
I didn't get a manual tC. With that many issues, I walked away from the manual tC. The rsx might be a good choice, but I've heard they have a very hard ride. You might want to test drive one before you go to the trouble of getting one. the civics would usually be a good choice, but the trouble this year is first year production while they iron out the glitches. So I'd steer clear of that.
I think you're going to find that as trouble free as your integra was. the majority of companies, including Honda aren't making them like they used to. 1991 was a great year for Honda. But with cost-cutting, things aren't as bulletproof as what you have. Unfortunate, I know.
I just cannot recommend the tc based on what i've experienced and what others have had happen. Plus Toyota isn't really stepping up to fix the glitches, acting more like GM used to act, and hoping the people with their issues just go away. Not too cool.
If you can hang on to the Integra, and it's not dying yet. You could think of a Saturn.. Later this year Saturn is supposed to bring over the Opel Astra from Europe. It's a sporty hatchback, you can do a search for Opel Astra online and take a look at it. That should be here later this year, and it's NOT first year production either. That might be a good alternative. I know SATURN!! Crazy to think that!! But seriously, i think it might be a good alternative.
#1790 of 2039 I agree on the Tc manual...
Jan 09, 2007 (12:55 pm)
My wife gets demos where she works and we took a 5MT TC for a few days. Going from our TSX and Accord to the TC was quite a rude awakening. The gearbox in the Tc has too long throws and isn't very precise.
Jan 09, 2007 (8:56 pm)
that's weird you're all feeling the tC's shifter is inprecise. I test drove a 2005 Scion tC RS 1.0 with low miles and didn't find that problem at all. But I drive a 2001 Kia Sportage 4x4 with a 5-speed manual tranny that a lot of people probably wouldn't find to be smooth, so to me the tC's shifter feels normal. I found acceleration to be more than adequate and a nice throaty sound out the exhaust on acceleration, too. I thought it was a nice rig.
I just couldn't see paying $21,995 for it. That's what the Scion dealer was asking for it. I actually preferred the test drive in the 2006 Scion xA with 5-speed manual transmission that I took. The shifter seemed good and smooth to row through in the xA as well. No problemo's gentlemen. Can't wait to see the two new rigs Scion is working on as I type this post out, eh?
#1792 of 2039 TC Spec Question
Jan 28, 2007 (12:37 pm)
I was interested in the Spec and talked to a local dealer. He informed me that the Spec was a limited production run, about 600 cars, of which his dealership (which is a large Scion dealership) only got three. That was a while ago, he noted, and now they are virtually impossible to obtain since Scion is not making them anymore.
They are not even on Scion.com.
Does anyone know anything else about this?
Feb 02, 2007 (7:47 pm)
no I don't know the answer to that question but I'd like to find out.
Scion Spec tC's are a great deal if they're actually available to dealers to sell for $15,000 (manual tranny).
#1794 of 2039 IN DASH GPS SYSTEM FOR SCION TC
Feb 10, 2007 (7:46 pm)
Hi, Im inlove with the Scion TC and before I buy the car I have some questions in my mind. Fisrtly, why the other Scion's bring the red neon lights and the TC does not, and can I put the red neon lights if I want them.(I like the Cherry Black color)
Secondly, I want to put an indash Pioneer GPS system, I know it fits perfectly, but im wondering if I can still use the controls on the steering wheel or once I put the Navigation System it will stop working.
Thirdly, between the new Nissan Sentra and the Scion Tc which one is better. I would love if at least One of my questions could be answer.
#1795 of 2039 Re: Exploding Moonroof [mss]
Feb 14, 2007 (9:52 am)
This happened to me yesterday morning! I'm so frustrated with the dealership... so willing paint a pretty picture when you buy the car, once it's off the lot, they want nothing to do with you. Thank you for you information, this has helped. I didn't know what to do.