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Scion tC, Convertible
Feb 03, 2005 (12:14 pm)
No official info yet. I would guess around June of this year or maybe the fall. Who knows? Scion is doing things differently than your "traditional" car manufacturers. For example: the xB is only going to be around for another model year 2006 and then it will be replaced by a different model. In fact the xB which is known in Japan as the Bb was about to disappear from the Japan market before Scion was born and it's life was extended for our market under the Scion brand. If you get a chance go to www.toyota.co.jp which is the Toyota Japan website you will see the inordinate amount of vehicles they sell over there. Some which may come here as Scions or as Toyota.
Feb 03, 2005 (1:05 pm)
I agree that they need to divide the Scion salesman from the Toyota salesman even in their own dealership. The Scion experience involves the use of letting the driver makes up his/her own mind. I do agree like myself that the person looking at a Scion is way more knoweldge about the vehicle than the saleman.
When I test-drove a tC last week, the salesman threw the car around and cut off the engine. Noticed he also drove half of the test drive. I was impressed with the car for the amount I drove it, but the salesman was a pure idiot.
The salesman also did the no-no of playing the sales pressure game. I finally just told this idiot that I knew more than he did. This guy actually told me you had to pay for the free Scion initial oil changes in the add-on dealer package.
#1296 of 2039 Re: 2006 tC [mackabee]
Feb 04, 2005 (5:53 am)
thanks for the info mackabee. i am planning on selling my 2000 si this year and buying an 06 flint mica tc as soon as they are available. i hope they come out in june so i dont have to put any more miles on my si than i have to. since the 06 will be exactly the same as the 05 hopefully i wont have to wait until fall to buy it.
#1297 of 2039 No Haggle / Invoice Price Question
Feb 04, 2005 (9:03 am)
I was five minutes from impulse buying a new tC and decided to do a little research first. I have a manual 2000 Honda Civic hatch right now, but I have to get an automatic car because of the problems I am having with my knee, IT band, and tendonitis in my hip along with Sciatica -all from 5 years of hard shifting! (I'm only 29 and I sound like an old lady... "my bad hip!")
Anyway, I've been reading along and thanks for the great info so far. I don't get something, though. All the people I know who think they are smart about cars say you should pay like $300 or $200 over invoice. I looked up dealer invoice on the manual tC and it's like $15,152. I think the auto tranny adds about $700? So it's under $16k and msrp is $17,500 or whatever. That seems like an awfully big difference for a no-haggle car. Now, don't get me wrong: I drove it and loved it and you get a lot of things standard that are options on most cars. A similarly appointed Corolla is like $20K and BORING. But what's up- was I misinformed about invoice on this car? Or deluded about how things work?
It seems like the best way to get anything out of the dealer at this point is to insist on a very high trade-in value, and that's never gonna happen...
Thanks for your help in advance.
#1298 of 2039 The car is seems to be very popular.
Feb 04, 2005 (11:43 am)
That's the beauty of "no-haggle". If you get "screwed" by the prices being charged, you are getting no more or less screwed than anyone else who bought a Tc from that dealer. If the market is bearing MSRP, those that want invoice are obviously gonna have to look elsewhere.
#1299 of 2039 Re: The car is seems to be very popular. [gee35coupe]
Feb 04, 2005 (1:00 pm)
I see what you're saying. But my priority is getting a good price for me, not better than the "other guy." But I guess what you are saying is that the "fair" price is whatever the market will bear. Apparently people in my area are paying just about sticker price. (That is according to the Edmunds TMV calculator.)
I suppose I could just go down and talk to the dealer and find out what they are willing to do and walk out if the price doesn't work for me. And wear a really low-cut shirt. And don't bring my boyfriend. Are salesmen that shallow? Is it possible to influence car price with boob size? I should do an experiment...
#1300 of 2039 Re: The car is seems to be very popular. [tckitty]
Feb 04, 2005 (1:30 pm)
In my area, base on a manual is $16k. Not including destination charges. They told me, whatever you see online is what you'll get, including the finance portion of it. NOTHING will be negotiated, nor changed.
As far as I know the ONLY part that is negotiable, is the trade-in.
So, I"m curious, are you talking about going to do the dealer for a tC to see what they'll do? Because when I went, they flat out said to me, "we don't deal on Scions". Because then you're just wasting your time.
Also, they wouldn't even talk finances with me until I put down a deposit to order a car. With my trade-in, I have NO IDEA what I'll be getting until the car comes in (because why quote a car, and then something can happen to it, they don't wanna be stuck with that quote).
All I know is my dealership was very adamant about "what you see online is what you get".
So if you are talking about the Scion, good luck. I hope you're goign to go in to see what they can give you for your trade-in, cuz they don't negotiate otherwise.
#1301 of 2039 72 hours and counting
Feb 04, 2005 (1:31 pm)
I just got a call from the dealership telling me someone cancelled their order, so I was next inline. Therefore, instesad of waiting 2-3 weeks, I'm waiting another 72 hours. I ordered it on Tuesday. Woohoo! Is that some kind of record? lol.
I didn't realize, though, that they do all the aftermarket installations here. Interesting. But okay. So.........here I am, antsy as heck. WAiting, waiting, waiting.....
#1302 of 2039 Re: The car is seems to be very popular. [k9kreationz]
Feb 04, 2005 (2:33 pm)
I guess if "no haggle" really means "no haggle" I'll be wasting my time. BUT it says on the Scion website, under the whole "Pure Pricing" explanation "Dealers are free to set their own prices." WTF does that mean? No haggling, but dealers can set their own prices? It doesn't makes much sense to me.
Also, I'm curious if people think that base MSRP of 16,515 (posted on the website for manual) is a lot when invoice is 15,152 (manual).
Here is the Scion pure pricing spie. It seems to mean "no deals!" but the car still seems like a great deal for everything you get. I just find it an odd business model and am curious what you all think about it:
Scion is unique because both the products and buying process are designed to create a whole new culture that will change the consumer's car buying experience. At Scion we respect your time by creating a simple, straightforward, easy to understand approach called "Pure Price".
Scion's "Pure Price" purchase experience means no haggle, no hassle. The price you pay for all products and services offered equals the dealership's posted and advertised price. Price menus are clearly posted in the dealership showroom for all products and services. Dealers are free to set their own prices."
#1303 of 2039 Re: The car is seems to be very popular. [tckitty]
Feb 04, 2005 (8:15 pm)
well, the salesman swears they sell the Scions for the advertised price and no lower. The addendum that said "dealers are free to set their own prices" means they can charge MORE as long as they post the menu of official prices in the dealership. Weird. They didn't have the color and transmission i want so i gave the guy my number. He was cute.