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Lexus GS 300, Lexus GS 430, Sedan
Nov 22, 2004 (11:14 am)
I believe the first car under the Lexus namebrand in Japan will be the 2006 Lexus GS300/430.
The current GS is called the Toyota Aristo, which comes in many more variations over there. Such as the previous GS was available with the straight 6 with twin-turbo's and AWD.
The current GS has been around too long, correct. It sold well in it's first 2-3 years. After that, due to styling that got old, and lack of upgrades to the lineup it tanked.
The Crown is not the next LS. THe crown is smaller than the LS430. I believe the crown shares the same platform as the Lexus GS. The Lexus LS430 has always been sold in Japan under the Toyota Celsior badge.
Nov 22, 2004 (12:43 pm)
Its tough to compare Toyota\Lexus models here with JDM models. For every sedan that Toyota chooses to sell in the NA market, its got about 3 more back home that dont make it.
Nov 22, 2004 (12:55 pm)
In Japan will it now be the Lexus GS, or the Lexus Aristo? I like Toyota's JDM names, it'd be a shame to see them go.
Nov 22, 2004 (1:41 pm)
It will be called the LExus GS300 or GS430.
#793 of 3073 Re: boomsama [lexusguy]
Nov 22, 2004 (3:17 pm)
Sure you have seen the pics and spec's on the new
Avalon (avalon forum) Would be interested in your thoughts on it. I got to say, the interior and the 280hp engine is extremely appealing.
Can you compare to GS300/ES330
Nov 22, 2004 (4:14 pm)
Are they the same very low res b&w shots, or something more substantial? At this point, I really dont know too much about the car. Traditionally, Avalon has always been Toyota's answer to buick, so for them to change it into say, a Maxima fighter would be quite a change of pace, but anything is possible. It will be interesting to see if torque steer is a problem. Both Nissan and Acura have run into that, but perhaps with an automatic as the only transmition, Toyota will be able to keep all those ponies under control.
The thought process behind giving Avalon more displacement and more power than either ES330 or GS300 still eludes me. My guess is that Camry and ES will get the 3.5L motor for their '07 redesign. As for GS300, I know they dont want it to have too much power, or it would step on GS430's toes. Maybe GS will use the 3.0L motor until Lexus introduces a new V8? I dont know.
Edit: Ok I just saw the interior shot, gotta say very impressed. Its the best Toyota interior in history.
#795 of 3073 Re: cove148 [lexusguy]
Nov 23, 2004 (4:40 am)
Toy apparently is giving Lexus different engines as well as platforms, I6 for Lexus & V6 for Toy. Nissan can't do that for two reasons. It's a much smaller company than Toy, with less resources. And Lexus's planning to sell a lot more cars than Infiniti.
If anyone can post a pic of Crown, the Fuga fighter, we'd appreciate it. As a Nissan fan, I'm sure glad Fuga name is not exported. It sounds like some sort of sushi.
"Toyota officials confirmed a report in the Financial Times that the company will spend around $650 million over the next three years to bolster the Lexus brand in Europe."
An article on Lexus in Europe. Toy does have money to burn. It apparently spent the most money on the last F1 campaign, more than Ferrarri or MB.
Nov 23, 2004 (5:24 am)
"Toy apparently is giving Lexus different engines as well as platforms, I6 for Lexus & V6 for Toy."
That is incorrect. While horsepower generally isnt the same between Toyota and Lexus models, Camry, Avalon, ES, and RX have always and all indictations seem to be that they will continue to share engines. The only Lexus cars using different V6s than any Toyota models are IS and GS, and this is only because Supra was killed in 1998. Lexus is retiring the aging Inline 6. There will not be an inline replacement. IS and GS are going to use Vs. A new 3.0L direct injection V6 goes into GS300. The last info I heard about IS is that it will use Avalon's new 3.5L V6. My guess, at least for now, about Lexus' engine plans, is that RX, ES, and Camry will most likely continue to use the "old" 3.3L engine until their redesigns. I am thinking that perhaps for the '07 model year when the new Camry and ES hit, they will get the GS300's 3.0L motor, and Lexus may introduce a bigger V8, perhaps a 4.5 or maybe a 5.0, and bump GS300 up to GS350. It is also possible that instead of increasing displacement, Lexus could add hybrid power and call it the GS500h or something like that.
Nov 24, 2004 (12:44 pm)
"I am thinking that perhaps for the '07 model year when the new Camry and ES hit, they will get the GS300's 3.0L motor"
ES, and Camry won't get new engine, because it will be hybrid for 2006. That is why Toyota doesn't mind Avalon have more hp than ES, and GS. Lexus been offically announced to have hybrid for all models.
As far as people are guessing how new GS will handling. Well, new GS is wider, lower, and longer wheel base, then it will handling better than current GS, no doubt about it.
Nov 24, 2004 (5:29 pm)
"ES, and Camry won't get new engine, because it will be hybrid for 2006."
But why would Toyota keep an old engine around though, when they have just released newer, more powerful, more advanced and efficient powerplants? The 3.3L is a bored out version of the old 3.0L, thats been around since the early 90s. It makes no sense to keep it in production as a 3rd V6. Toyota isnt GM.