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#51 of 3068 DrFill by bluestar1 Jan 06, 2004 (8:32 pm)
Calm down mi amigo....   Like alpha01 wrote, quite eloquently, I must say, this redo is months away from reality. Production doesn't begin until fall of '04, and we won't see it in the showrooms until early to mid 2005. Plenty could change b/w now and then. Lexus is being deliberately coy about the V8 engine. They do not want to trump their class leader, the LS, by announcing a bigger engine/option engine for the V8, or including the AWD on the V8. I am sure we'll hear more as days/weeks/months go by. As to the stick, me hope they do provide a stick option in the V8 if they are to be competitive. One can only hope ! IMO, the GS4 needs no less than 340bhp, and mated to a 6-speed stick, should do the low low 5s 0-60, and the mid 5s with the slush box 6-speed. That is what I am expecting the commercial version to be.
#52 of 3068 by merc1 Jan 06, 2004 (11:27 pm)
It's amazing the level of denial in here, they've already shown the finished car, but yet there are some saying to wait and see if they change it before next year. Oh, such wishful thinking. I didn't know a dissapointment could produce such a detachment from reality. The reality of it is that except for some possible engine changes for the V8 model, the styling is a done deal. Period. I seriously doubt the GS430 or whatever it's called will have a manual trans either, it won't be popular enough to make sense in a Lexus showroom.   Oh well so much for the so-called daring design of the show car, and Lexus' hopes of bringing a new (good looking) styling theme to the table. Good look if the next generation LS follows this look.   M
#53 of 3068 Interior Pics by mbclk430 Jan 07, 2004 (1:02 am)
Can someone point me in the direction of where I can find the pics of the interior?
#54 of 3068 2006 GS by smulan Jan 07, 2004 (6:06 am)
I have to disagree with most on the board. Overall, I feel it's a pretty strong styling statement. The current GS looks old after almost 8 years on the market. ANd unlike the current GS, this one has a nice flowing shape. When I first saw the pics of the new GS, I did see a bit of Maxima in the rear but I see alot more 1st and 2nd generation big rump in it. I feel this is the best Lexus design since the original SC. I think the styling looks clean, uncluttered and muscular. There are really only 2 things I would change on the design, get rid of the chrome ring around the headlights and make the rear tailights a bit more unique in design. Even more important than the exterior I feel is the interior and here the GS hits a home-run.   I don't think Lexus ever said they were going to offer a manual and I don't think they need to to go after the 5-series. How many 5-series are sold with stick's anyway? I would guess around 5%.   With the exception of the design, which I think they shouldn't change anyway, I think alot of new features will get added. I think they haven't said everything it will have as new because it is still about a year away from production. That gives them alot of time to perfect features they may be working on.
#55 of 3068 smulan by oac3 Jan 07, 2004 (7:55 am)
Well spoken, and I agree with you 100%. I am no fan of the GS, but I really don't see what all the fuss is about ? Maybe Lexophiles had a HUGE (maybe unrealistic) expectation of the new GS based on the speculations from the LF-S concept and autospies, that when they saw the actual release, they went ballistic ! C'mon guys, it's just a car ! BTW, IMO, the car looks quite related to the LF-S than to a Maxima or whatever else others are calling it. The only part I'd change slightly is the look of the grille, maybe give it some *teeth*, and more aggresive look.   Looks like Merc1 wants to gloat on a perceived Lexus failure with this release. Pls note that new evolutionary designs are pretty difficult these days. Many autos will have a mixture of their peers in their designs. That's just going to be the fact. Everyone knows that Nissan had been copying Lexus in its new releases - Altima and Maxima favoring the 1st and 2nd gen GS looks. So no biggie if their is a little Maxima in the new GS. But the new GS is a whole lot better looking than the Max, IMO.
#56 of 3068 About 20% of 5-series have sticks! by callmedrfill Jan 07, 2004 (8:27 am)
I hope this is just a "test balloon", but I doubt it.     The design is the same, but the styling has gone horribly wrong! Lexus put a heavy emphasis on the great new style of this car, so if they overpromise and under-deliver, it will be a first time.     They call it a sports sedan. Why?     DrFill
#57 of 3068 In Toyota's Press Release by alpha01 Jan 07, 2004 (9:30 am)
there is only mention of AWD availability, and it is not specified as to which engine this pertains. You know, Edmunds might just be wrong, Heaven knows its happened in the past.   I'm not in denial, thats absurd. I'm just saying, you really cant write the car off as NOT A SPORTS SEDAN or whatever, prior to it ever being driven by ANYONE.   20% of 5 series have manual transmissions? Prove it. Also, please find the percentage of MB E class which have manuals. OH WAIT: ZERO.   IMO, BMW left the door open, and if this car drives as interestingly as it looks, Lexus is going to walk right through. But again, only time will tell.   ~alpha
#58 of 3068 by smulan Jan 07, 2004 (9:37 am)
Toyota said Lexus would have it's own look, they didn't promise you that you would love the way it looks. Let's face it styling is subjective.   On what they promised I think they delivered. You can't mistake the front end for any other car and the side profile doesn't look like another car and frankly neither does the rear, except for the 1st and 2nd generation GS. I think it's a unique design and a good looking one at that.   As oac3 said, I think, people expected it to look just like the LF-S showcar. But let's face, that had totally unrealistic proportions! But I do think the production GS carries similarities. I see the front end resemblance, and the side resemblance.
#59 of 3068 by tomjava Jan 07, 2004 (12:25 pm)
I like the new GS design. The rear is similar to the first generation GS. Overall, it's a very nice design.

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