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Lexus GS 300, Lexus GS 430, Sedan
#2684 of 3073 Re: Sat Antennas [acctcaroholic]
Oct 11, 2005 (9:10 am)
acctcaroholic, I think you're right. I think there are 2 things contributing to the low residual values on the 2006 GS300. One is the upcoming engine change to the 3.5 liter engine. The other is the fact that the 2006 GS model year is going from Feb/Mar 2005 (when the car was released) until probably Aug/Sep 2006 so the 2006 model is going to be available for a total of 18 months which means the total production volume should be about 1.5 times a normal model year. They'll be a lot of 2006 GS's on the road so that can't help resale value.
Also, the 2007 GS should get the 5th generation navigation system that's in the new IS250/350. The new IS is the first Lexus with their 5th generation navigation system which has a higher resolution screen. All of these things are probably going to keep me from getting the 2006 GS300.
#2686 of 3073 This will be a long model year for the GS
Oct 11, 2005 (4:50 pm)
With a HUGE power disadvantage to the IS350, and a the marketing blitz all but a memory.
Question: Do you p-off the 25k buyers of a GS300 and bring out the more competitive GS350 next fall, or do you protect the relatively small crowd around the GS and wait an agonizing two years before actually catching up to the market's power expectations?
My thing is this whole "Passionate Pursuit" stuff, and mentioning BMW in press conferences and releases.
Not that Lexus needs more sales, but I, being "Passionate", would release the GS350 next year, and avoid the GS-cycle of 18 hot months followed by 3.5 years of frostbite. I'd like to think Lexus has learned something by now with this "Performance-Luxury sedan".
You may burn the ones who bought early, but may be rewarded by the ones who waited. With the quality issues of the E, the controversial 5 styling, and the heavy-handed style and lack of cache of the M, this class can be gained on, with due dilligence.
The impending success of the IS350 may force Lexus' hand. Lexus wants to sell higher priced, $47k GS vehicles a little more than $37k IS350.
In their own way, they are playing a hand against themselves, so losing is more difficult.
Hopefully, the IS350 will be as huge a hit as I think it will be, and Lexus will suddenly realize that aggression is the better part of valor, and the GS will quickly benefit.
Prediction: The IS350 will score big, and the GS350 will move up to Spring 2007, hedging Lexus' bet.
#2687 of 3073 Re: Sat Antennas [lenscap]
Oct 11, 2005 (5:33 pm)
You seem sure that the GS350 will be out next fall. Have you heard or read something to that effect, or is that just your gut feeling? Others say it won't be out until fall '07, as an '08 model.
#2688 of 3073 Re: Sat Antennas [bartalk3]
Oct 12, 2005 (6:05 am)
bartalk3: I have heard from several Lexus officials that the GS 350 will be launched one year from now as a 2007 model. I first was told this a few months ago when one of the regional reps was at my dealer. Then, this past weekend I attended the Taste of Lexus driving event. In the morning I spoke to another regional rep who said the same thing. Later that day I spoke with Charles Hubbard, a Lexus official from California who makes presentations on new Lexus models to the press. He confirmed the new GS 350 will be out one year from now.
As I said, the engine is obviously ready now since it has been put in the new Avalon and new IS 350. Plus, it is already in the GS in Japan (check out www.lexus.jp). But one dealer rep told me that if the GS 350 were out with 300 hp, the GS 430 becomes meaningless since it also has 300 hp. So, Lexus is waiting until the new 4.6 V8 is available next year. Then, for 2007, the GS 300 will become the GS 350 and the GS 430 will become the GS 460.
#2689 of 3073 Lenscap: GS350
Oct 12, 2005 (7:47 am)
Thanks for the confirmation on the GS350. I don't suppose they will continue the GS300 when the 350 comes out. Meanwhile, the GS450h will be out next March, which will further complicate things. So, by next year will the GS be available as , a 350, a 450h, and a 460 (and possibly a 300)? Buyers might be confused by all this.
#2690 of 3073 Re: Lenscap: GS350 [bartalk3]
Oct 12, 2005 (9:11 am)
You are welcome for the GS 350 info. And yes, from what I know one year from now there will be a GS 350 (V6), GS 460 (V8) and GS 450h (V6 hybrid). The GS 300 will be gone when the GS 350 comes out. Lexus will no longer use that engine.
#2691 of 3073 BTW, I diagree with that idea
Oct 12, 2005 (2:46 pm)
Why not keep the 300 around?
BMW keeps the 525 around, right? They have had it for years, and has sold strong, right behind the 530. It is much more powerful than the 525, and even the 530.
While having 4 engines in one line may SEEM excessive, Mercedes has the E55/65, plus offer a Touring model, and BME has the 525, 530, 550, and M5.
Most GS buyers aren't power-hungry enthusiast, as this car in reality is a Lexus in a dressy wet suit. If 2000-2500 people a month are buying it, it must be good enough.
Lexus hasn't embraced the enthusiast, and probably never will. Dropping the 300 just because the 350 is available is wasteful.
And, I would like to add, this engine would be a nice addition to the IS line, replacing the 2.5 in 2007. That's assuming they can mate a MT to it.
But I'm not expecting Lexus to add fun to their portfolio anytime soon. Power without control? Fascinating!
#2692 of 3073 Re: I want my BMW back (jo2) GS 18" wheels/tires
Oct 12, 2005 (4:18 pm)
I have the 2006 GS300 but I know someone else who installed the OEM 18" 5 spoke 2006 GS430 wheels/tires on their 2006 GS300 AWD with no problems. All 2006 GS 430 and 300 18" style OEM wheel styles have the same 45 offset. Got my OEM 5 spokes from an out of state Lexus dealer as "take offs" for a very good price. I took my 2006 GS300 to my local toyota dealer where I bought a Tundra last year. I bought the new Michelin 18" tires from the toyota dealer (similar price what other local tire retailers quoted). Dealer took off GS300 wheels/tires/ and sensors then transferred sensors to the 5 spokes with the new tires. They did great job have had no trouble with sensors/tires/wheels. Drive and handling are very good. Like the look too. I was only charged $65 labor. Local Lexus dealer wanted $300 labor. Since toyota sells the new Avalon I think they are familiar with the GS and they sell a lot of new tires too. Hope this helps.
#2693 of 3073 Re: Lenscap: GS350 [lenscap]
Oct 13, 2005 (9:59 am)
lenscap, doesn't it seem odd that Lexus wouldn't develop a 3.0 litre V6 engine to only use for one (or two) model years? I'm asking that because I don't think that engine is used in any other models and I'm not saying I disagree with you, just asking a question. I think the GS model line will be exactly the way you described it because that's what several people on ClubLexus.com have also been saying.